Smarter Fighter Errol or Saul

[Roadblock]

Do you not think he learned and improved from that though, ring IQ largely develops from experience. You develop it inside the ring. For example do you think that more experienced version of Mayweather would have the same problems with Castillo that a younger Floyd did?

This current version of Canelo would do far better versus Mayweather. Not saying he’d necessarily win or anything but I don’t think it’s any form of indictment on his ring IQ losing to one of the greatest fighters of all time at only what? 23 I think.

I’ve watched most of the current top fighters in the world live and up close (except Crawford- massively regret not going to Crawford-Burns) and honestly nobody has impressed me more in terms of fighting intelligence and ring generalship than Canelo. Loma and Roman Gonzalez also impressed me massively too. I think certain fighters look a lot better in the flesh than they do on TV, Canelo was definitely one of them for me.

Off course Canelo is smarter now and to be where he is he gotta have high IQ, every fight he gains a little more, nobody is saying he is dumb, I just tried to establish a yardstick to measure against.

With Liam when a guy is outclassed he will say the opponents was so smart he knew what I was going to do before I did it, that is kinda automatic, this can be just being outclassed not necessarily IQ.

I cant say it any other way as Ring IQ is mental strategy and planning on the fly, all the rest is the physical execution.

All good I think its just in our interpretations of Ring IQ.

[Noelanthony]

Your talking about a canelo who was 23 no where near his prime. A prime canelo would rip floyds little peanut head off and Floyd knew that that’s why he wanted no part of a rematch but according to Floyd fanboys canelo was at his absolute “best” when Floyd faced him. Lol

And lol at Canelo “always more aggressive” than Spence alll Spence does is come forward looking to **** he rarely relies on boxing skills where he is limited.

Canelo is great but don’t get carried away please

[kidbazooka]

Fck me you are slow, I will fill in the gaps I thought you would have figured was in there, IF Floyd was a natural MW he would do the same to Canelo at any time that he was active, so MW Floyd schools MW Canelo, the only way Canelo could ever beat Mayweather was by having such a size advantage, is not the boxing that favors Canelo its the size.

There are levels and Canelo has no where near the ring IQ of Mayweather. just as Floyd has no where near the power of Canelo, the trouble with you guys and Floyd is you cant ever give him the credit for what he was really great at, you always try to chop him down, well sometime you cant and Ring IQ is one of those times.

Lol

The slow one is you guy because now you’re saying if Floyd was “naturally” bigger he would “always” beat Canelo lol but that’s not what you said earlier.

But it’s all good i know how you Floyd boys could be. And to say canelo has “nowhere” near the ring IQ of Floyd is just a flat out ****** ass statement that’s the problem with you clowns you guys have such short memories and act like Floyds “great” ring IQ didn’t get him his ass beat by Castillo or a nip and tuck fight with the aging ODH. According to the Floyd boys he “dominated” both fights with ease. It’s goes from Floyd edging out a close SD MD to l Floyd “whooped” him.

Anyway I don’t wanna waste anymore time talking about a guy who goes on to box a 19 yr old 118lb Japanese boy and you tuber with a record of 0-1.
Keep on defending that clown that continues to degrade the sport just for a quick buck.

[NearHypnos]

Thats not ring IQ thats boxing attributes, IQ is mentally out maneuvering and offsetting opponents, setting traps, pacing, controlling distance, doing all this by reading your opponents moves and making adjustments to control what your opponent can do.

Ring IQ is a Chess Match.

I think Errol has the higher ring IQ, Canelo is no dummy but he is more aggressive which goes against ring IQ, the best brains in boxing generally dont takes the risks that another fighter will, they generally more reserved waiting for the optimum time to launch.

Disagree.

What makes Canelo so good is that he has the IQ to know when he *has* to take the risk and uses his attributes to make the best of it. He’s probably *the* most aware fighter right now. His thinking speed just looks levels above what anyone is able to deal with despite him being undersized the last few years. From the way he moves to his feints and his traps and his decision making and shot selection. He’s always doing something even when he’s not. He puts a mental pressure on guys that just changes their demeanor.

He can out think and out box a larger taller man like Jacobs at range. He can have a prolific offensive force like GGG look amateurish chasing him and not able to cut him off like in the first, walk him down and be ultra aggressive and bully him like in the second. Intimidate the much bigger and powerful man and krush the krusher.

The best thing that ever happened to him was losing to Floyd that young. It just brought his IQ to a different level.

His most impressive quality is no longer his hand speed or power or left hook to the body or his iron chin - it’s the ability to make guys forget or second guess what got them there in the first place. This is what Floyd was king at. Take what makes you you away.

It’s why people leave fights going “where did GGGs body work go!?” “where did Kovalev’s power go?” “Danny couldnt pull the trigger.” Etc etc.

I think his lack of true size is eventually going to cost him but as far as skill and IQ goes, he’s it right now that he’s able to act on his thoughts.

Spence is damn good and a workhorse with that jab and constant pressure. Supremely skilled to be sure, but I think he’s as physically imposing as he is skilled and because of it most of his fights are more or less the same with him being able to overwhelm them with his attributes. His ability to land his jab and be so smart with it is starting to become hard to ignore as one of the best in all of boxing though. Dude can throw and land 10,000 jabs but every time he throws and lands it, he always surprises them because of how good his sense of distance is and how tricky it comes off from the southpaw stance. His jab is always closer than you think and he can loop his left hand from farther than you think as well. Super crafty.

I think only Bud or some of the 54 pounders has the ability to make him truly think though and get into high stake decision making where we won’t just see him walk down the other guy. Once we can get these fights out of the way we’ll have a better idea of how much is IQ or how much is it sheer physical attributes (size/strength, gas tank, and STANCE).

Spence may well be smarter, but Canelo has had more chances to show it against varied top comp is all.

[GrandpaBernard]

Do you not think he learned and improved from that though, ring IQ largely develops from experience. You develop it inside the ring. For example do you think that more experienced version of Mayweather would have the same problems with Castillo that a younger Floyd did?

This current version of Canelo would do far better versus Mayweather. Not saying he’d necessarily win or anything but I don’t think it’s any form of indictment on his ring IQ losing to one of the greatest fighters of all time at only what? 23 I think.

I’ve watched most of the current top fighters in the world live and up close (except Crawford- massively regret not going to Crawford-Burns) and honestly nobody has impressed me more in terms of fighting intelligence and ring generalship than Canelo. Loma and Roman Gonzalez also impressed me massively too. I think certain fighters look a lot better in the flesh than they do on TV, Canelo was definitely one of them for me.

Alvarez is even higher ring iq than a live and up close Floyd?!

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Alvarez is even higher ring iq than a live and up close Floyd?!

Floyd ain’t a current top fighter he’s retired. I often say Floyd is the best fighter I’ve ever seen live.

[GrandpaBernard]

Floyd ain’t a current top fighter he’s retired. I often say Floyd is the best fighter I’ve ever seen live.

Sounds dope

Was it Floyd-Cotto?

They fought in every terrain in that match

[boliodogs]

I think they are both highly skilled very smart fighters about the same in that department.

[boliodogs]

Canelo might be smarter because of vast experience from over 50 pro fights.

[Gary Coleman]

Canelo, very comfortably.