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  • Bain01D
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    #11
    Originally posted by mlac
    Plant and saunders are proven world level fighters. Callum Smith is not, unless you want to claim that wasnt a shot to bits George Groves?
    I wouldn’t say Saunders has a better resume? Andy Lee was shot, Lemuix has been exposed, Eubank isn’t true world level.

    Agree Groves was past his best but I think you have to look at the way he beat him, he didn’t sc**** by on points, wouldn't say he was shot but past his best, agree.

    Saunders and Smith have similar resumes in terms of mid level fighters, Mendy, mohammedi, Rebrassé, N’Dam but I think the difference is how Smith deals with them in style

    Again ignore the Ryder fight (I know that’s easy to say) and it’s a totally different prospect! He wasn’t motivated for that fight and it showed

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    • sicko
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      #12
      ...yet he still has one of the best Resume in boxing BY FAR (other than the great Manny Pacquiao of course)

      How in the HELL did he "Cherrypick" the Best Resume in Boxing?

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      • mlac
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        #13
        Originally posted by Bain01D
        I wouldn’t say Saunders has a better resume? Andy Lee was shot, Lemuix has been exposed, Eubank isn’t true world level.

        Agree Groves was past his best but I think you have to look at the way he beat him, he didn’t sc**** by on points, wouldn't say he was shot but past his best, agree.

        Saunders and Smith have similar resumes in terms of mid level fighters, Mendy, mohammedi, Rebrassé, N’Dam but I think the difference is how Smith deals with them in style

        Again ignore the Ryder fight (I know that’s easy to say) and it’s a totally different prospect! He wasn’t motivated for that fight and it showed
        lol you cant say Andy Lee was shot and George Groves who was just coming off a major surgery & admitted that he couldnt even throw his left hand during the fight. wasnt.

        Agree BJS has a **** resume but hes clearly world class, again Plant is clearly world class.

        Smith is clearly NOT world class. you can spin it any way you want, he wasnt motivated he didnt have a good camp, he took Ryder lightly OR you can say Smith was exposed by a blown up middleweight. and has never beaten anyone decent apart from an injured, end of his carrer Groves.


        sicko why bother posting if you didnt even read what i wrote?

        Of course all this will be dismissed as 'hater talk' or 'spinning the narrative of a great resume'

        While i agree, on paper its a great resume.

        In reality its a mirage full of lies, corruption & cheating.

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        • LeOoze
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          #14
          Originally posted by blowblow
          no if it's for a big payday.
          please don't tell me you actually believe that Canelo thought he had no chance of winning.

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          • Bain01D
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            #15
            Originally posted by mlac
            lol you cant say Andy Lee was shot and George Groves who was just coming off a major surgery & admitted that he couldnt even throw his left hand during the fight. wasnt.

            Agree BJS has a **** resume but hes clearly world class, again Plant is clearly world class.

            Smith is clearly NOT world class. you can spin it any way you want, he wasnt motivated he didnt have a good camp, he took Ryder lightly OR you can say Smith was exposed by a blown up middleweight. and has never beaten anyone decent apart from an injured, end of his carrer Groves.
            Put the groves who was beaten by smith against the Andy Lee who Saunders beat and I think groves wins!

            I just think Smith poses a bigger test due to his size and reach because personally I think he beats both Saunders and Plant!

            But it’s all opinions, no one really knows until it happens which is what makes it an interesting fight!

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              #16
              Originally posted by LeOoze
              please don't tell me you actually believe that Canelo thought he had no chance of winning.
              who in the right mind will take down the offer to fight floyd? ofcourse no one.. winnable or not.

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                #17
                I believe Smith is the more difficult fight of the three.

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                • moochi
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by mlac
                  Since winning a SD agaisnt Lara in 2014 he has sought to find the path of least resistence, searching out the weakest belt holders of each division.

                  i say since Lara because i thought that was the last time Canelo wanted to challenge himself agaisnt a high risk low reward boxer, many included myself thought he lost, but it was a 7-5/draw either way type fight

                  next fight is:

                  Kirkland: who had not fought in 2 years. fair enough they wanted a highlight reel KO after the Lara fight which wasnt a great look

                  Since Golovkin has been calling him out around this time, the defence was Canelo is too small and is not a natural MW.

                  So he fights a tiny faded Cotto instead...at middleweight...

                  Khan: disgraceful mismatch. they needed another highlight reel since the Cotto fight was again, not a good look.

                  Golovkin is calling for the fight again. instead Canelo moves back down to 154 to seek out the weakest beldholder in:

                  Liam Smith: who won a vacant WBO (fisheyes special) agaisnt John Thompson. Liam smith had a padded record, mostly journeymen, best win was Jason Welborn.

                  To build off another highlight reel KO in another mismatch Canelo then moves from 154 to fight at a 164 catchweight

                  Chavez Jr: why?

                  in 2017 Canelo finally fights Golovkin after waiting 2 years, team Canelo clearly feel that the time is right after Golovkin didnt looked great in a close fight w Jacobs.

                  Clearly loses the fight. Pretends he won, his fans boo him and he gets busted for taking PEDS for the rematch

                  Golovkin 2: wins a razor close decision in a fight where most thought he still lost. like the Lara fight it was a 7-5 either way/draw type fight.

                  Instead of the trilogy that the fans demand, Canelo then moves up to 168 to seek out the weakest belt holder in:

                  Rocky Fielding: A fringe euro level fighter who won a vacant WBA belt.

                  Moves back down to MW and fights

                  Danny Jacobs: I must admit i didnt watch this fight, looking at the scorecards, 115-113 x2 basically translates to, could of gone either way for a Canelo scorecard.

                  Canelo then moves from MW to LHW to fight a washed Kovalev on short notice after he nearly got knocked out 2 months prior (i didnt watch this fight either for the record)

                  Now we have Canelo moving back down again to seek out the weakest beld holder in:

                  Callum Smith: (again on short notice) who just lost to a blown up middleweight in John Ryder.

                  So this is the Canelo MO...

                  move up and down the divisions seeking out the weakest belt holders.

                  Is this the mark of a p4p champion? seeking the path of least resistence? and stacking the deck to make sure you have every single advantage over them?

                  Of course all this will be dismissed as 'hater talk' or 'spinning the narrative of a great resume'

                  While i agree, on paper its a great resume.

                  In reality its a mirage full of lies, corruption & cheating.

                  Not much anybody could argue about in your description. Another thing you didn't mention is timing, he is ready in training and knows the opponent, but they do not know, until the very last possible minute. Very smart tactics.

                  Boxing is a business disguised as a sport.

                  Funny thing is Canelo bias fans who argue that "he won this fight but it was close", well, when you seem to win all the fights that even they say are "close", you start to see the story.

                  Hence why I say Canelo doesn't have a place in the top 10 p4p at all, not just for the drug cheating, but, because he's lost about 5 of his last 10 fights.

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                  • LeOoze
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by blowblow
                    who in the right mind will take down the offer to fight floyd? ofcourse no one.. winnable or not.
                    a lot of boxers ducked floyd in the 2000s...it wasn't until his hand was broken and that he grew older that people wanted to fight him

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                    • sicko
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by mlac
                      lol you cant say Andy Lee was shot and George Groves who was just coming off a major surgery & admitted that he couldnt even throw his left hand during the fight. wasnt.

                      Agree BJS has a **** resume but hes clearly world class, again Plant is clearly world class.

                      Smith is clearly NOT world class. you can spin it any way you want, he wasnt motivated he didnt have a good camp, he took Ryder lightly OR you can say Smith was exposed by a blown up middleweight. and has never beaten anyone decent apart from an injured, end of his carrer Groves.


                      sicko why bother posting if you didnt even read what i wrote?

                      Of course all this will be dismissed as 'hater talk' or 'spinning the narrative of a great resume'

                      While i agree, on paper its a great resume.

                      In reality its a mirage full of lies, corruption & cheating.
                      I actually did read it...I just don't believe you can "Cherry Pick The Best Resume In Boxing"

                      If that is what you think he did then WTF does that say about the rest of the current fighters in boxing?

                      Didn't have to fight Lara, Trout, GGG twice or Danny Jacobs but he did when people said he wouldn't!

                      I been watching boxing a very long time, I just understand that whoever is the face of boxing for their ERA, they're given just this Ridiculously Unrealistic Expectation that is just impossible and they will never be able to please everybody so why try?

                      Canelo always give the fans the fight they want to see eventually and I think he will do it again and fight Charlo, Plant, Benavidez, BJS and all those guys but that still won't be enough...after that and if he beats them "He Should Move Up To 175 Again And Fight Bivol and Beterbiev"

                      So the Expectations only go higher and higher it doesn't stop. Often times then expectations are set by people who wants to see a fighter Fall so they start demand just the most ridiculous match ups
                      Last edited by sicko; 12-05-2020, 03:54 PM.

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