Hrgovic report card

[Dr. Z]

Hello all,

This is my first post here, so why not start with a heavyweight?

I am comparing Hrgovic vs. histories lineal champions, ll of which I have seen in the ring with the exception of Sullivan and Hart ( Though there are some Sullivan clips hitting a bag and mock sparring ) in 10 areas I see as essential for boxing. Some areas are more important than other.

Key:
A+ Among the best 5 lineal champions in a particular part of the game
A Among the best 10 lineal champions in a particular part of the game
A- Clearly a stand out characteristic
B+ Above average by the standard of Ring Magazine top 10 contenders
B Average by the standard of Ring Magazine top 10 contenders
B- Below average by the standard of Ring Magazine top 10 contenders
C+ On par with a fringe contender
C On par with a journeyman.
C- A clear weak part of a fighter's game.

Hrgovic's ability card, based on a successful amateur career, his gym sparring sessions with top fighters and his 12 pro fights.


Tale of the tape

Height A+. At 6'6" he's a very tall one, historically speaking.

Weight A. 240 pounds

Reach A+. At 82" its very long. His arm length in particular is impressive.


Boxing Skills

Boxing skills on Offense. B. Hrgovic possesses a solid jab, very good right and nice left to the body. Combinations are there. Not much of a counter puncher. He can also in-fight some. Above all else he's accurate. He's still developing in this area.

Boxing Skills on defense. B-. Hrogvic has a fine high guard, and quick feet to land and get out of the way. His footwork is technical, and his balance good. Head movement is not his thing, but when he focuses on defense, he can make his man miss. Due to his offensive confrontational style, he's not going to shine on defense. Still room for development here. He should use his jab a bit more and watch the Vitali Klitschko tapes.

Movement skills and speed

Hand Speed. B. Neither fast nor slow, he's fast enough to land without missing for the most part.

Footspeed B+ For a big guy, he can really move around the ring quickly. It's an underrated part of his game. Combined with his reach and jab, this attribute is good enough to win rounds vs. just about anyone.


Durability. A-. Hrgovic has never been down as an amatuer or pro, but the grade goes beyond that. He has taken clean shots in his amatuer days from the likes of Joyce, Kuzmin, and Nistor, all of whom were punchers that landed their best, without going down, getting stunned, or needing to clinch. This happened when he was a young man age 19-22. In sparring with Wilder he took a hard right with no visible effects. He's much bigger and stronger now. The true grade could be up to A or A+ but in order for that to happen for that he needs to face a really good punchers in the pro's. Cuts have never been an issue, and he takes a fine body shot.


Stamina, energy level and conditioning. Grade B+ Since he has not needed to go 12 rounds, this grade is a bit speculative. Based on the rounds he has fought he has not come close to punching himself out, or needing to catch a second wind.


Ring Generalship / Boxing IQ. B+. Hrgovic takes the best path to victory for him. He has not fallen into any traps.


Heart / Intangibles: B+ I have never seen him opt out and take the easier path in any fight. He comes to the ring in shape with good confidence in himself and unlike most heavyweights, isn't afraid to get hit.


Forcast. If Fury ever fights him, Hrgovic is the next lineal champion. He's going to be a world title holder, and will vault into the top ten if Hunter agrees to fight him in early 2021. Although he hasn't had the chance to prove it, I see his future as one of the better world title holders

[SN!PER]

Rabbit Punches A+

[Dr. Z]

Rabbit Punches A+

Funny. Who would you compare him to?

I don't recall Hrgovic losing a point for a foul, rather guys duck low and times when they are hurt and he's throwing punches and some have landed on the sides of their heads.

[Clegg]

Too soon for any of this, especially something like durability. You give him an A- for that, really? Let's see him in a 12 round war, or getting caught by a big puncher, or at least face some kind of resistance. Dubois looked like A+ durability against guys who didn't put up too much fight, almost any prospect does while still facing journeymen

Also giving a grade for height, reach? Would Mike Tyson be an F? And for weight, Wilder lost once he added weight so how are we scoring that?

If you think he beats Fury down the line then OK. Maybe in 2-3 years he's can do that, he looks like one of the better prospects but still some way off the top level

[Dr. Z]

Too soon for any of this, especially something like durability. You give him an A- for that, really? Let's see him in a 12 round war, or getting caught by a big puncher, or at least face some kind of resistance. Dubois looked like A+ durability against guys who didn't put up too much fight, almost any prospect does while still facing journeymen

Also giving a grade for height, reach? Would Mike Tyson be an F? And for weight, Wilder lost once he added weight so how are we scoring that?

If you think he beats Fury down the line then OK. Maybe in 2-3 years he's can do that, he looks like one of the better prospects but still some way off the top level

Thanks for brining up those points. Hrgovic as a 20-21 kid took flush shots from the likes of Joyce and Kuzmin. Later from Yoka. Also Nistor and Dycho. You might not know who these guys are, but I can assure you that all can punch. Joyce who was a fully grown man at age 26 beat on the young Hrgovic who showed his heart and chin in that match.

Hrgovic has never been down in the amateurs, world series of boxing or pros which is 76 fights total. He has never been hurt to clinch or run either. He takes shots cleanly and they do not deter his path for victory.

He's the only current no champion professional who can claim that.

IMO Chins are best tested when they are hit. I have seen enough too grade.

Dubois was never tested vs ANY puncher until his last fight. There is your difference. How can you say A+ for him. Gym reports say he was down.

Meanwhile Hrgovic as a very young pro or seasoned amateur took flush right hand from Wilder ( on film ) ripped up Haye to the point where he had a cut and had to cancel a fight, and according to gym reports held his own vs. Wlad who at the time was training for Joshua.

As for Tyson would not get a F for height. My scoring key ends at C-, so I would give him that for Height and Reach.

As for the weight to pick, I average it out. So Wilder is about 215-220 pounds. Probably B- fits best.

Fury's entire legacy rest on beating Wlad Klitschko at age 39, and Wilder who has never beaten a Ring Magazine ranked contender under the age of 36. Between that is shameful competition by he standards of lineal heavyweight champion in my opinion for Fury plus a positive drug test.

Wilder can punch, he can't take it or box. Hrgovic IMO with his confrontational style would make Fury fight back and he does not hit as hard, nor does he take it was well. Keep in mind Fury was hurt and down vs. Cunningham, and blow up cruiser who was old and not know for power.

[YoungManRumble]

Welcome to the forum. We sure could use more new posters like you.

Even if I might not agree with everything you said, you clearly put in some effort to make an interesting thread.

[QueensburyRules]

Hello all,

This is my first post here, so why not start with a heavyweight?

I am comparing Hrgovic vs. histories lineal champions, ll of which I have seen in the ring with the exception of Sullivan and Hart ( Though there are some Sullivan clips hitting a bag and mock sparring ) in 10 areas I see as essential for boxing. Some areas are more important than other.

Key:
A+ Among the best 5 lineal champions in a particular part of the game
A Among the best 10 lineal champions in a particular part of the game
A- Clearly a stand out characteristic
B+ Above average by the standard of Ring Magazine top 10 contenders
B Average by the standard of Ring Magazine top 10 contenders
B- Below average by the standard of Ring Magazine top 10 contenders
C+ On par with a fringe contender
C On par with a journeyman.
C- A clear weak part of a fighter's game.

Hrgovic's ability card, based on a successful amateur career, his gym sparring sessions with top fighters and his 12 pro fights.


Tale of the tape

Height A+. At 6'6" he's a very tall one, historically speaking.

Weight A. 240 pounds

Reach A+. At 82" its very long. His arm length in particular is impressive.


Boxing Skills

Boxing skills on Offense. B. Hrgovic possesses a solid jab, very good right and nice left to the body. Combinations are there. Not much of a counter puncher. He can also in-fight some. Above all else he's accurate. He's still developing in this area.

Boxing Skills on defense. B-. Hrogvic has a fine high guard, and quick feet to land and get out of the way. His footwork is technical, and his balance good. Head movement is not his thing, but when he focuses on defense, he can make his man miss. Due to his offensive confrontational style, he's not going to shine on defense. Still room for development here. He should use his jab a bit more and watch the Vitali Klitschko tapes.

Movement skills and speed

Hand Speed. B. Neither fast nor slow, he's fast enough to land without missing for the most part.

Footspeed B+ For a big guy, he can really move around the ring quickly. It's an underrated part of his game. Combined with his reach and jab, this attribute is good enough to win rounds vs. just about anyone.


Durability. A-. Hrgovic has never been down as an amatuer or pro, but the grade goes beyond that. He has taken clean shots in his amatuer days from the likes of Joyce, Kuzmin, and Nistor, all of whom were punchers that landed their best, without going down, getting stunned, or needing to clinch. This happened when he was a young man age 19-22. In sparring with Wilder he took a hard right with no visible effects. He's much bigger and stronger now. The true grade could be up to A or A+ but in order for that to happen for that he needs to face a really good punchers in the pro's. Cuts have never been an issue, and he takes a fine body shot.


Stamina, energy level and conditioning. Grade B+ Since he has not needed to go 12 rounds, this grade is a bit speculative. Based on the rounds he has fought he has not come close to punching himself out, or needing to catch a second wind.


Ring Generalship / Boxing IQ. B+. Hrgovic takes the best path to victory for him. He has not fallen into any traps.


Heart / Intangibles: B+ I have never seen him opt out and take the easier path in any fight. He comes to the ring in shape with good confidence in himself and unlike most heavyweights, isn't afraid to get hit.


Forcast. If Fury ever fights him, Hrgovic is the next lineal champion. He's going to be a world title holder, and will vault into the top ten if Hunter agrees to fight him in early 2021. Although he hasn't had the chance to prove it, I see his future as one of the better world title holders

- -Hot air-A+

Save AMA completely unproven against no hopes and boxrec height of 6-4 closer to the mark.

Plenty of fellow prospects he should be fighting.

[Dr. Z]

- -Hot air-A+

Save AMA completely unproven against no hopes and boxrec height of 6-4 closer to the mark.

Plenty of fellow prospects he should be fighting.

I have photo and he's even height with Wlad who stood 6'6" tall. The 82 reach is also legit. The man has long arms.

I agree with you, he's ready to step up and has called out Mike Hunter. Check the web and you'll see. This forum say I need 15 point to post links.

Relative to the amount of fight he's had he's being moved quickly.

PS: He was robbed in Rio 2016, and Beat Yoka 2-1 on any clean score card.

[SimpleTouchee]

Hype is like an A+ tbh nothing too special about 2016 Olympic superheavyweight class.

[SimpleTouchee]

He just going to be a solid B level guy, this guy is a good puncher with no consistent jab, load up on punches too much, his shots off the backfoot not as powerful best as a come forward guy, stiff as rocks and he let Molina hurt him bad but Molina knew his role and it was to lay down and quit after taking his power. I want to see if he has the right intangibles on the world level I'm not talking about sparring name guys. Since he is getting Dubois hype right now. But he not that active as a fighter, he fights 3 times a year as a prospect not enough. I hope he have around 5 fights next year fighting different style opponents. So I'll rate him as a solid B right now with a chance to be a world title holder but not be the number 1 guy in the divison. With A- potential