How Do You Determine When a Fighter Quits?

[deathofaclown]

Simply when you could carry on if you truly wanted but don’t.

If you take a knee and wait to be counted out like Dubois, or spit out your gum shield and lay back on the ropes not following ref’s instructions like and waiting to be waved off like AJ, then it’s a quit.

Anyway, I don’t mind, if you don’t wanna fight any more then get out of there.

But if you could continue if you really wanted, but make that choice, then you quit.

Let’s not dress it up as something else.

[Vinnykin]

When they quit.

[hugh grant]

He isn't a quitter. He knew something wrong and could get hurt if can't see punches.
Duran quit v srl as he could continue but just being outboxed

[Eff Pandas]

Interesting viewpoint. So do you see corner stoppages a little different when the corner asks the fighter if they are good and they may say they are good but don't make it clear enough that they want to continue? For example, how do you view Lamont against Errol?

I don't remember the exact situation with Lamont tbh, but to me I think sometimes boxers know how to act to get their corner to stop it when they want it stopped but don't wanna say it out loud.

[d00m10rd]

Interesting viewpoint. So do you see corner stoppages a little different when the corner asks the fighter if they are good and they may say they are good but don't make it clear enough that they want to continue? For example, how do you view Lamont against Errol?

That's the only grey area. I would personally argue that if you cannot convince someone you want to continue, deep down you want them to stop it. Look at some fighters angry reactions to corner stoppages.

I think quitting is saying "NO MAS" Duran, Walter style where theirs still fight to be had but you dont want to fight no more.

I think getting subdued into calling it a day like Cotto did or how Dirrel did vs Benavidez is different, sure they folded up and didn't want no more and was looking for someone to stop it for them like the ref or the corner but thats not really quitting they gave it their all and they have no more left to give that imo is not quitting it just being bested in the worse way.

Why you choose to quit doesn't change the definition of the word, or the fact you had the chance to carry on but chose not to. Everyone you listed is a quitter.

Roberto Duran = quitter

Victor Ortiz (jaw broke) = not a quitter

Again, having a valid reason doesn't mean you didn't choose to quit. Ortiz refused to leave his stool, he quit. You might think a broken jaw is a valid reason to quit, but that doesn't mean he didn't quit.

Did Franco quit against Moloney?

The referee asked him if he was able to continue and he said "no".

If the referee or Doctor had asked Dubois would that make it ok?

I see a very fine line. If you're beaten to the point of an injury you can't continue with - what difference does it make who made the call?

Yes, if what you say is true, Franco quit against Maloney. Asking someone else to stop it for you is the sign of a fighter who knows he's quitting, but knows he has no valid reason to and is looking for a way to save face.

A quit is a quit is a quit. Mitigating factors might mean that some are more justified than others, but the actual meaning of the word is abundantly clear.

[_Rexy_]

Did Franco quit against Moloney?

The referee asked him if he was able to continue and he said "no".

If the referee or Doctor had asked Dubois would that make it ok?

I see a very fine line. If you're beaten to the point of an injury you can't continue with - what difference does it make who made the call?

I didn’t create the word nor the definition lol. I don’t think a corner stopping it is quitting. If the ref asks you if you can continue and you say no, you quit. That being said, it could be smart to quit. GGG/Wade comes to mind. Wade got up at 11 and Reiss being a dumb ass made him tell him that he was finished. Should have just let the guy out. The ref and corner should be there to make that choice so the fighter doesn’t have to.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

When THEY choose not to continue.

[STREET CLEANER]

They are different reasons for quitting. If the injury is legit and they quit for me it is KO. The other fighter inflicted damage that just can't continue because of the injury.

Others get inured during the fight and can't continue like a leg injury or shoulder injury, I am on the fence with those.

Now others quit because their heart is not into it at that point in time. They can continue but choose not to.

[KTFOKING]

When THEY choose not to continue.

I think we have discussed this before, but then by that definition you would consider GMan quitting against Benn, right?

I think my overall viewpoint on this has changed as I've gotten older. Heck, even after fights the first thought is to always say a fighter quit but now I feel like in a lot of cases the fight is just beaten out of the fighter.

Like Duran really quit against SRL as mentioned because it wasn't like he was taking a lot of punishment and couldn't continue, he was just frustrated.

But this is definitely an interesting topic. I feel like a lot of pundits and former fighters choose to use the word quit for certain fights/fighters.

What made the Dubois situation a bit different was that he was a young fighter saying enough is enough. Usually when this happens, you will see an older fighter in their 30s or during the latter part of their primes making these types of decisions. Life changes at that point and you end up starting a family or whatever the case may be and what was worth it when you were 22 is not worth it when you are say 32.

[STREET CLEANER]

If a fighter refuses to carry on fighting then by definition they’ve quit.

Some are more justifiable than others. That’s down to your individuals views.

Some would say a smashed eye socket is a legitimate reason to quit, someone would certainly disagree with that.

I agree with this post.