Comments Thread For: WBC Prez: Wilder Deserves Another Opportunity at World Title!

[Roberto Vasquez]

he ducked joshua who was #1 and 100 million dollars to fight a fat coked up fighter(his words) who was fighting on undercards and for less money. thats not a duck? just take their names out of it, if any other fighter did that its a duck.

That is a duck. But we not talking about Joshua?? We are talking about Fury

[Roberto Vasquez]

The multiple dates for Wilder have been widely reported; July, September, and December. As for Klitschko, two rematches were scheduled but eventually cancelled, for obvious reasons. If having a mental breakdown, becoming morbidly obese, and going on a drug and drink binge for three years is deemed a duck then accepting a fight with that same guy for less money and no titles instead of an undisputed fight for more money than he'll ever earn is definitely a duck.

The same argument can be applied to both Wilder and Klitschko...Fury beat them both, easily. What is there to duck exactly? Lol

He embarrassingly befuddled Klitschko, who only put in some effort in the last few rounds and still barely touched Fury. What is there to duck?

While still overweight and operating at probably 70%, Fury completely outclassed Wilder, getting caught twice through his own complacency. Then the rematch just wasn't even a contest. What is there to duck?

Didn't Fury take PEDs for the Wlad fight? I thought that was proven. Unless you believe a boxer would eat castrated wild boar? Even tho the butcher he bought it from says he never sold it

Sure he had a breakdown but it still deprived Wlad of the rematch. ALSO watch Fury's interviews after the fight "He caught me with hard punches in the 12th round and I had a headaches for 2 weeks after that fight". Fury knew he psyched Wlad out into being over-cautious and that wouldn't work again. Wlad finally let some punches go in the 12th round. That was why Wlad was so aggressive against Joshua - Wlad had nothing to lose that time, so he went for it.

Er... Wilder put Fury down twice dude. He can beat anyone on the day. Also look up how many punches he landed on Fury. Fury isn't as illusive as he makes his fans believe. He does those cool moves where he avoids a punch but then gets hit with a one-two and people don't register it. No one would take a fight with Wilder if they didn't have to. It's a risk no matter who you are

Fury did beat Wilder well the 2nd fight but we all know trilogies - quite often you see a completely different thing every fight. Usually the losing fighter adjusts while the winner just thinks he can do the same thing again.

[Squared.Circle]

Didn't Fury take PEDs for the Wlad fight? I thought that was proven. Unless you believe a boxer would eat castrated wild boar? Even tho the butcher he bought it from says he never sold it

Sure he had a breakdown but it still deprived Wlad of the rematch. ALSO watch Fury's interviews after the fight "He caught me with hard punches in the 12th round and I had a headaches for 2 weeks after that fight". Fury knew he psyched Wlad out into being over-cautious and that wouldn't work again. Wlad finally let some punches go in the 12th round. That was why Wlad was so aggressive against Joshua - Wlad had nothing to lose that time, so he went for it.

Er... Wilder put Fury down twice dude. He can beat anyone on the day. Also look up how many punches he landed on Fury. Fury isn't as illusive as he makes his fans believe. He does those cool moves where he avoids a punch but then gets hit with a one-two and people don't register it. No one would take a fight with Wilder if they didn't have to. It's a risk no matter who you are

Fury did beat Wilder well the 2nd fight but we all know trilogies - quite often you see a completely different thing every fight. Usually the losing fighter adjusts while the winner just thinks he can do the same thing again.

The PEDs were for the Hammer fight, but for some strange reason it took UKAD nearly a year to issue the charges (that's not su****ious at all).

You should really take everything Fury says with a pinch of salt. He also said one of the right hands Wilder caught him with nearly knocked him spark out in the rematch...the seven rounds of video footage show quite the opposite lol

Wilder only put Fury down twice because Fury was slowing and getting ****y. Both knockdowns happened as Fury was stood static and ducking under with no foot movement. And on that point, if Fury was gonna duck, surely he'd duck the rematch after being dropped twice? But no, he takes a couple of fights to get himself to 100% and dominates him.

Those one-twos he gets hit with aren't usually flush, he turns away from the punch or they deflect off his shoulder. Fury literally is the most illusive heavyweight of the modern era. That's undeniable. His anticipation of punches his second to none. And the fact he's so big just makes it more impressive.

Wilder, adjust? Lol behave. He has the IQ of tree bark. He was convincingly outboxed in the first go then rushed and dominated in the rematch. Even if he could, how would he adjust? Fury has his number 19 times out of 20.

[MCFM]

I am real about Wilder - he does duck big fighters but he was all heart in the ring with Fury both times. He has put Fury down twice don't forget and Fury says he shook him in the 2nd fight too. We all know if Wilder lands flush its likely over for Fury. He landed a lot of right hands on Fury both fights. Just the 2nd fight none landed flush.

Also we are talking about Fury - who lacks big names on his record too. He just has a couple

Dude, Wilder on his perfect condition landed twice and couldnt KO a 50% Fury coming from a lay-off.. that was his best chance of beating Fury but his cherrypicking went wrong

He got ****ed by a fully conditioned Fury on their second.

What exactly makes u think that he can KO Fury in a 3rd fight or even win a fight, when hes mentally broken now, hid for months and never bothered to adjust nor improve his game?

[Roberto Vasquez]

Dude, Wilder on his perfect condition landed twice and couldnt KO a 50% Fury coming from a lay-off.. that was his best chance of beating Fury but his cherrypicking went wrong

He got ****ed by a fully conditioned Fury on their second.

What exactly makes u think that he can KO Fury in a 3rd fight or even win a fight, when hes mentally broken now, hid for months and never bothered to adjust nor improve his game?

Wilder can KO anyone. Fury still gets hit a lot every fight. Fury's 3rd best win is Derek Chisora who is ranked 12th at best. Don't be making out Fury is a great fighter when the only top fighters he beat were a pre-retirement Wlad and Wilder (who's best win was an old Ortiz, Ortiz only beat Jennings). If Fury was that great he would have way better fighters on his resume.

[Roberto Vasquez]

The PEDs were for the Hammer fight, but for some strange reason it took UKAD nearly a year to issue the charges (that's not su****ious at all).

You should really take everything Fury says with a pinch of salt. He also said one of the right hands Wilder caught him with nearly knocked him spark out in the rematch...the seven rounds of video footage show quite the opposite lol

Wilder only put Fury down twice because Fury was slowing and getting ****y. Both knockdowns happened as Fury was stood static and ducking under with no foot movement. And on that point, if Fury was gonna duck, surely he'd duck the rematch after being dropped twice? But no, he takes a couple of fights to get himself to 100% and dominates him.

Those one-twos he gets hit with aren't usually flush, he turns away from the punch or they deflect off his shoulder. Fury literally is the most illusive heavyweight of the modern era. That's undeniable. His anticipation of punches his second to none. And the fact he's so big just makes it more impressive.

Wilder, adjust? Lol behave. He has the IQ of tree bark. He was convincingly outboxed in the first go then rushed and dominated in the rematch. Even if he could, how would he adjust? Fury has his number 19 times out of 20.

The UKAD waited a year on purpose? Why did Fury need PEDs to beat Hammer?

I feel it was genuine if you watch the footage. He says to Wilder "that right hand you hit me with in first or 2nd round made me go ga ga" And he did get hit with a good few right hands in that 2nd fight. Wilder is excellent at landing them.

Wilder might adjust now he's lost.

Anyway Wilder wants the fight and Fury doesn't. Tbh I wouldn't take that fight if i was Fury. There is no reward to it. And Wilder is always a risk. I'd go for Joshua and the belts too.

But given Wilder wants the fight you can't say he is the one ducking it - he has nothing to lose and everything to gain

[Squared.Circle]

The UKAD waited a year on purpose? Why did Fury need PEDs to beat Hammer?

I feel it was genuine if you watch the footage. He says to Wilder "that right hand you hit me with in first or 2nd round made me go ga ga" And he did get hit with a good few right hands in that 2nd fight. Wilder is excellent at landing them.

Wilder might adjust now he's lost.

Anyway Wilder wants the fight and Fury doesn't. Tbh I wouldn't take that fight if i was Fury. There is no reward to it. And Wilder is always a risk. I'd go for Joshua and the belts too.

But given Wilder wants the fight you can't say he is the one ducking it - he has nothing to lose and everything to gain

That's why I find the whole PED thing su****ious. He comes up dirty after the Hammer fight (Hammer, of all people), then UKAD sit on that dirty test and don't issue any charges for I don't know how long, and then 18 months after issuing the charges they come to an agreement for a backdated suspension. If it was a clear cut case of PEDs then it shouldn't have been so hard for UKAD to do what they do.

And I don't think Wilder is ducking Fury. Everything points to the opposite. The whole "yea but team Wilder stayed silent and only spoke up after the contract expired" is clearly nonsense seeing as three dates have been set for the third fight. Team Fury can't exactly schedule a fight without talking to team Wilder.

I also don't think Fury is ducking Wilder in the slightest. As I've mentioned, he's beat the guy twice and taken his best punches. Looking at it from Fury's point of view there is literally nothing to duck. Does Fury not want a third fight? Clearly, and for perfectly acceptable reasons. But not wanting to fight a guy who you've already beat twice because it's holding up your career (and now because as well as his fangirls, Wilder himself has flat out accused Fury of cheating) isn't a duck.

Ducktay Whiner, on the other hand, has more than earned his moniker after his team flat out said they don't want none of Klitschko and then Wilder himself, obviously not realising what he's actually saying (because he's a simpleton lol), admits to ducking AJ.

[Roberto Vasquez]

That's why I find the whole PED thing su****ious. He comes up dirty after the Hammer fight (Hammer, of all people), then UKAD sit on that dirty test and don't issue any charges for I don't know how long, and then 18 months after issuing the charges they come to an agreement for a backdated suspension. If it was a clear cut case of PEDs then it shouldn't have been so hard for UKAD to do what they do.

And I don't think Wilder is ducking Fury. Everything points to the opposite. The whole "yea but team Wilder stayed silent and only spoke up after the contract expired" is clearly nonsense seeing as three dates have been set for the third fight. Team Fury can't exactly schedule a fight without talking to team Wilder.

I also don't think Fury is ducking Wilder in the slightest. As I've mentioned, he's beat the guy twice and taken his best punches. Looking at it from Fury's point of view there is literally nothing to duck. Does Fury not want a third fight? Clearly, and for perfectly acceptable reasons. But not wanting to fight a guy who you've already beat twice because it's holding up your career (and now because as well as his fangirls, Wilder himself has flat out accused Fury of cheating) isn't a duck.

Ducktay Whiner, on the other hand, has more than earned his moniker after his team flat out said they don't want none of Klitschko and then Wilder himself, obviously not realising what he's actually saying (because he's a simpleton lol), admits to ducking AJ.

I only know that Fury threatened to bankrupt UKAD with court cases and that's why they came to that backdated ban agreement. I suspect otherwise it would have run for longer. As for whether Fury was guilty or not - the whole eating uncastrated wild boar from a butcher who claims he has never even sold it does make it seem like he probably was guilty. Don't forget fighters often get to keep the extra muscle nuclei PEDs create. So it's not just for one fight. I honestly don't think AJ is on steroids but he probably was in his prision/body building days. I do think AJ's phsyique is 90% genetic because Whyte was on PEDs (and he admits it) and totally different physique

I diagree on your final point. There is clearly a danger to fighting Wilder no matter who you are. He has the power to end anyone with one punch. Fury was saying before the first Wilder fight that Wilder could never land on is chin - but this is boxing, of course he can, and he did. Also Fury has never ever taken a risky fight unless it is for a belt.

[Squared.Circle]

I only know that Fury threatened to bankrupt UKAD with court cases and that's why they came to that backdated ban agreement. I suspect otherwise it would have run for longer. As for whether Fury was guilty or not - the whole eating uncastrated wild boar from a butcher who claims he has never even sold it does make it seem like he probably was guilty. Don't forget fighters often get to keep the extra muscle nuclei PEDs create. So it's not just for one fight. I honestly don't think AJ is on steroids but he probably was in his prision/body building days. I do think AJ's phsyique is 90% genetic because Whyte was on PEDs (and he admits it) and totally different physique

I diagree on your final point. There is clearly a danger to fighting Wilder no matter who you are. He has the power to end anyone with one punch. Fury was saying before the first Wilder fight that Wilder could never land on is chin - but this is boxing, of course he can, and he did. Also Fury has never ever taken a risky fight unless it is for a belt.

Yea UKAD did genuinely nearly become bankrupt with the hearings and Fury threatening to take it to court to prolong the case. But the fact is, it took them nearly a year to even notify Tyson and Hughie of any adverse findings. I don't know of any other case in drug testing history where that has happened. As for the farmer, he initially confirmed Fury's story and only came out saying different after Fury was robbed by way of a draw in the first Wilder fight. Why not come out and say that after his comeback against Seferi? Or the fight after? Why wait until Fury is at the height of his popularity to say something? Probably because he knew he could get a good bit of money for selling his story.

Against a lot of heavyweights, I'd say yea, Wilder is a risky opponent. But people over exaggerate his power. For a guy that is apparently the hardest hitting heavyweight in history, an absolute killer that will put you to sleep as soon as he touches you...he sure does have a lot of referee stoppage wins against opponents who were stood on two feet. He sure has landed plenty of flush punches without doing any damage...and all that against C-level, or at best a few B-level opponents. It's not hard to look like a phenomenal puncher when you're going up against below average or average-at-best opponents that are scared of the myth.

Does he have good power? Of course. Is he the hardest hitting heavyweight in history, or even at this present moment in time? No. Ever since Wilder came under minimal pressure and was made to stagger like a zombie against Eric Molina () I've been convinced that Wilder gets pummelled by any 6'4 and above, heavy-punching opponent that doesn't fear the myth.

[MCFM]

Wilder can KO anyone. Fury still gets hit a lot every fight. Fury's 3rd best win is Derek Chisora who is ranked 12th at best. Don't be making out Fury is a great fighter when the only top fighters he beat were a pre-retirement Wlad and Wilder (who's best win was an old Ortiz, Ortiz only beat Jennings). If Fury was that great he would have way better fighters on his resume.

"Wilder can KO anyone".. what happened during that 2 KD on the first fight tho? That was a Fury after a layoff, he couldnt finish off.. the Bum is mentally broken rn and will manifest on their 3rd fight.. tf u on abt thinking he will do better during that? 💩🧠

And wilder has what on his resume that makes u think he will ever beat fury? Rank 30s and a 500ish? 😂