Floyd's Career Put Into Perspective

Collapse
Collapse
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • Da Pimper
    Sugar Ray Brook
    Gold Champion - 500-1,000 posts
    • Dec 2015
    • 917
    • 202
    • 123
    • 7,803

    #1

    Floyd's Career Put Into Perspective

    The most overrated/overhyped fighter in history bar none.

    The truth is, Floyd's career has NOT been one of true greatness on the level of Leonard, Duran, and Pacquiao. Rather, it has been a career centered on personal financial gains, fooling the public, gaming the system, and taking the least risks.. Hopefully, this thread will educate certain people.

    First, lets take a look at Floyd's VASTLY overrated pre-welterweight record.

    Floyd started his pro career in 1996 by fighting 17 bums in a row. His 9th opponent had a record of 1 win and 13 losses.

    Sure, every fighter starts by fighting bums, but Floyd fans act like Floyd is different or special??

    His 18th win- Genaro Hernandez, was a washed-up Oscar leftover, yet is touted as some ATG win.

    In fact, in Floyd's first 37 fights he only had 1 good win- Diego Corrales, who was good but nothing great.

    Manfredy, Chavez, Gerena, Sosa, Augustus, N'Dou, Mitchell, Juuko, Baldomir, Bruseles, Gatti, etc were all C level fighters, or coming off multiple losses before Floyd fought them.

    Judah- coming off losses to Baldomir, Spinks, KO'ed by Tszyu.

    Fact: Floyd never beat anyone as great as Barrera or Morales in his first 37 fights.

    More importantly Floyd clearly lost to Castillo, yet is awarded a gift..

    Oh yea, he also avoided prime Margarito.

    So far, a good career but NOT great. Leonard beat an undefeated Wilfred Benitez in just his 26th fight. Pac KO'ed Barrera. Floyd did nothing close to that.

    So now, Floyd moves up to 147+, and here's where things get bad. Almost EVERY fight of Floyd's from here on out will have a serious asterisk or controversy next to it..

    Oscar- Controversial split decision.

    Hatton- 140lber, dragged to 147lbs by Floyd.

    Marquez- 135lber, dragged to 147lbs and cheated on the scales.

    Ortiz- Sucker punch win.

    Canelo- 23 year old kid got drained to 152lbs.

    Maidana- Banned from using his preferred gloves and forced to wear pillow gloves. Floyd wins a controversial MD.

    Pacquiao- Floyd takes a banned IV before the fight after avoiding Pacquiao for 6+ years, and gets away with it.

    Guerrero, Berto were bums.

    Fact: In his post welterweight career, Floyd never beat a single opponent as good as an undefeated Tim Bradley.

    And y'all wanna compare this guy to Leonard and Duran???? Leonard moved up to 160 and beat Hagler. Floyd had to drain a 23 year old kid.

    Floyd had the officials, commission, and referee in his pocket. He picked fights at the right time, avoided prime opponents and difficult styles, and made sure everything was in his favor. He protected his own career at the expense of the fans and boxing as a whole.

    He will never be a true great. A true great sacrifices himself for the sport and the fans. Floyd is the opposite of that. A selfish, rich coward who has set a bad example for all boxers today.

    He wisely retired when today's young lions like Porter, Thurman, and Spence started coming up.

    Floyd was a good fighter in a weak era who sold himself well. Nothing more, nothing less.

    He'll never be TBE or even a Top 20 ATG.
    Last edited by Da Pimper; 11-24-2020, 07:45 PM.
  • AJ's Boy
    Contender
    Silver Champion - 100-500 posts
    • Aug 2016
    • 475
    • 64
    • 63
    • 6,222

    #2
    Floyd should have 3 losses on his record to Castillo Oscar and Maidana.

    Pac win should be a no contest due to IV use.

    Comment

    • hugh grant
      Undisputed Champion
      Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
      • Apr 2006
      • 30522
      • 2,194
      • 918
      • 105,596

      #3
      People know floyd s a great boxer but know his worth isn't on the level of the higher tier ATGs.
      In polls he loses always usually by large margins.

      Comment

      • Truth Bringer
        Contender
        Silver Champion - 100-500 posts
        • May 2020
        • 265
        • 29
        • 41
        • 1,339

        #4
        Originally posted by hugh grant
        People know floyd s a great boxer but know his worth isn't on the level of the higher tier ATGs.
        In polls he loses always usually by large margins.
        Pac’s win over prime Bradley beats anything Floyd has done.

        Comment

        • hugh grant
          Undisputed Champion
          Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
          • Apr 2006
          • 30522
          • 2,194
          • 918
          • 105,596

          #5
          Originally posted by Da Tongue
          Pac’s win over prime Bradley beats anything Floyd has done.
          So true but floyd fans won't have the abstract thinking to understand that. They will be saying how can that be when pac is greater than bradley?
          3 wins o ver bradley if not robbery i s infinitely better than an controversial Iv win
          Last edited by hugh grant; 11-24-2020, 07:55 PM.

          Comment

          • Truth Bringer
            Contender
            Silver Champion - 100-500 posts
            • May 2020
            • 265
            • 29
            • 41
            • 1,339

            #6
            Originally posted by hugh grant
            So true but floyd fans won't have the abstract thinking to understand that. They will be saying how can that be when pac is greater than bradley?
            3 wins o ver bradley if not robbery i s infinitely better than an controversial Iv win
            True, Floyd’s “win” should be discounted for IV and PEDs.
            Last edited by Truth Bringer; 11-24-2020, 08:01 PM.

            Comment

            • davef
              Undisputed Champion
              Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
              • Dec 2012
              • 2782
              • 565
              • 227
              • 28,056

              #7
              Oscar- Controversial split decision.

              never heard of that decision being controversial? It was Floyd's first fight at 154 so using your logic Oscar 'dragged' floyd up in weight but thats ok right because it's not floyd..

              Hatton- 140lber, dragged to 147lbs by Floyd.

              Hatton fought at 147 vs Collazo over a year before he faced Floyd..research man

              Marquez- 135lber, dragged to 147lbs and cheated on the scales.

              I believe this was a CW of 144? Floyd missed weight he coming back from his so called retirement and suffered an injury delaying the fight but sure there was gamesmanship by floyd here to mess with JMM besides floyd dealt with him like he was a child a guy who gave Pacquiao fits every time they fought and khtfo

              Ortiz- Sucker punch win.

              Ortiz butted floyd but you complain about a sucker punch? Keep your hands up at all times.. Ortiz got what he deserved he was getting lit up and got frustrated Floyd punished him for it

              Canelo- 23 year old kid got drained to 152lbs.

              personal opinion here but even if this was at 154lb the skill gap was so ridiculous it made no difference. this dominating win by an ageing declining floyd against the future star will go down in history btw canelo by his careers end will have achieved more in boxing than any opponent on Pacquiaos resume
              Last edited by davef; 11-24-2020, 09:37 PM.

              Comment

              • djtmal
                Undisputed Champion
                Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
                • Apr 2008
                • 12990
                • 1,274
                • 11
                • 39,097

                #8
                Originally posted by Golgo 13
                The most overrated/overhyped fighter in history bar none.

                The truth is, Floyd's career has NOT been one of true greatness on the level of Leonard, Duran, and Pacquiao. Rather, it has been a career centered on personal financial gains, fooling the public, gaming the system, and taking the least risks.. Hopefully, this thread will educate certain people.

                First, lets take a look at Floyd's VASTLY overrated pre-welterweight record.

                Floyd started his pro career in 1996 by fighting 17 bums in a row. His 9th opponent had a record of 1 win and 13 losses.

                Sure, every fighter starts by fighting bums, but Floyd fans act like Floyd is different or special??

                His 18th win- Genaro Hernandez, was a washed-up Oscar leftover, yet is touted as some ATG win.

                In fact, in Floyd's first 37 fights he only had 1 good win- Diego Corrales, who was good but nothing great.

                Manfredy, Chavez, Gerena, Sosa, Augustus, N'Dou, Mitchell, Juuko, Baldomir, Bruseles, Gatti, etc were all C level fighters, or coming off multiple losses before Floyd fought them.

                Judah- coming off losses to Baldomir, Spinks, KO'ed by Tszyu.

                Fact: Floyd never beat anyone as great as Barrera or Morales in his first 37 fights.

                More importantly Floyd clearly lost to Castillo, yet is awarded a gift..

                Oh yea, he also avoided prime Margarito.

                So far, a good career but NOT great. Leonard beat an undefeated Wilfred Benitez in just his 26th fight. Pac KO'ed Barrera. Floyd did nothing close to that.

                So now, Floyd moves up to 147+, and here's where things get bad. Almost EVERY fight of Floyd's from here on out will have a serious asterisk or controversy next to it..

                Oscar- Controversial split decision.

                Hatton- 140lber, dragged to 147lbs by Floyd.

                Marquez- 135lber, dragged to 147lbs and cheated on the scales.

                Ortiz- Sucker punch win.

                Canelo- 23 year old kid got drained to 152lbs.

                Maidana- Banned from using his preferred gloves and forced to wear pillow gloves. Floyd wins a controversial MD.

                Pacquiao- Floyd takes a banned IV before the fight after avoiding Pacquiao for 6+ years, and gets away with it.

                Guerrero, Berto were bums.

                Fact: In his post welterweight career, Floyd never beat a single opponent as good as an undefeated Tim Bradley.

                And y'all wanna compare this guy to Leonard and Duran???? Leonard moved up to 160 and beat Hagler. Floyd had to drain a 23 year old kid.

                Floyd had the officials, commission, and referee in his pocket. He picked fights at the right time, avoided prime opponents and difficult styles, and made sure everything was in his favor. He protected his own career at the expense of the fans and boxing as a whole.

                He will never be a true great. A true great sacrifices himself for the sport and the fans. Floyd is the opposite of that. A selfish, rich coward who has set a bad example for all boxers today.

                He wisely retired when today's young lions like Porter, Thurman, and Spence started coming up.

                Floyd was a good fighter in a weak era who sold himself well. Nothing more, nothing less.

                He'll never be TBE or even a Top 20 ATG.
                Don't get it twisted. Sugar Ray Leonard, watched Hagler lose a step or two before making the fight, and cherrypicking Donny Lalonde and grabbing a 168 and 175 belt was a farce, but he beat all time great fighters in their absolute prime so you can't harp on it much.

                Floyd took the cake though.
                Last edited by djtmal; 11-24-2020, 09:43 PM.

                Comment

                • AJ's Boy
                  Contender
                  Silver Champion - 100-500 posts
                  • Aug 2016
                  • 475
                  • 64
                  • 63
                  • 6,222

                  #9
                  Originally posted by davef
                  Oscar- Controversial split decision.

                  never heard of that decision being controversial? It was Floyd's first fight at 154 so using your logic Oscar 'dragged' floyd up in weight but thats ok right because it's not floyd..

                  Hatton- 140lber, dragged to 147lbs by Floyd.

                  Hatton fought at 147 vs Collazo over a year before he faced Floyd..research man

                  Marquez- 135lber, dragged to 147lbs and cheated on the scales.

                  I believe this was a CW of 144? Floyd missed weight he coming back from his so called retirement and suffered an injury delaying the fight but sure there was gamesmanship by floyd here to mess with JMM besides floyd dealt with him like he was a child a guy who gave Pacquiao fits every time they fought and khtfo

                  Ortiz- Sucker punch win.

                  Ortiz butted floyd but you complain about a sucker punch? Keep your hands up at all times.. Ortiz got what he deserved he was getting lit up and got frustrated Floyd punished him for it

                  Canelo- 23 year old kid got drained to 152lbs.

                  personal opinion here but even if this was at 154lb the skill gap was so ridiculous it made no difference. this dominating win by an ageing declining floyd against the future star will go down in history btw canelo by his careers end will have achieved more in boxing than any opponent on Pacquiaos resume
                  Come on dude Hatton was never good above 140lbs, Manny KOed him at his best weight which is 140.

                  The fact that you defend the Marquez and Canelo weight manipulations by Floyd just shows that your a flowmo and not to be taken serious.

                  Marquez was dragged not one but two divisions up by Floyd and then Floyd comes in overweight.

                  And If 2lbs didn’t matter Floyd wouldn’t have drained him. After calling out Pac for supposed catchweights.

                  Still a good win so no need to try to spin it.
                  Last edited by AJ's Boy; 11-24-2020, 09:49 PM.

                  Comment

                  • davef
                    Undisputed Champion
                    Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
                    • Dec 2012
                    • 2782
                    • 565
                    • 227
                    • 28,056

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Long Rad Dong
                    Come on dude Hatton was never good above 140lbs, Manny KOed him at his best weight which is 140.

                    The fact that you defend the Marquez and Canelo weight manipulations by Floyd just shows that your a flowmo and not to be taken serious.

                    If 2lbs didn’t matter Floyd wouldn’t have drained him. After calling out Pac for supposed catchweights.

                    Still a good win so no need to try to spin it.
                    How does it make me a fl0mo because of the catchweights? Did I make them? I said if they were regular weights the skill gap was so huge no 2lbs would have made a single difference and you damn well know it

                    Lol you will have to take off at least 2 of PACs most meaningful wins if your going to start discrediting catchweights as non events at least be fair yourself I mean look at that dragging Hatton up bs yet when oscar done it to floyd it's not even mentioned and he had never fought there even once!

                    Honestly the hatred for floyd is ridiculous to the point of laughable the guy went 49-0 and through divisions just admit since you cant point to a single loss on his record you have to pick his record apart clutching at straws when we could do that to ANY FIGHTER in history

                    Get over it man he is retired and was voted fighter of the decade despite it being his decline he was the best of his era point blank
                    Last edited by davef; 11-24-2020, 09:55 PM.

                    Comment

                    Working...
                    TOP