Comments Thread For: Arum Stands By Crawford Comments, Disinterested in Promoting His Fights

[-Kev-]

This is always mentioned yet never happens. Save your time expecting this.



I don't buy that. Spence is fighting DSG in front of fans and so will Canelo a few weeks later. Bob can talk about the closed circuit and all that, but they can still get a great gate even during these times. And really his math is not adding up here at all. He said you have to pay both fighters like 10M and they can't provide that in a pandemic. He also said 1/3 of the buys for Wilder vs Fury came on ESPN+ and that cable distributors only take 40% now. I've read for any buys through Fox Sports or ESPN+, they go to the promotion at a far higher rate so let's say they take home 80% while giving ESPN+ and Fox Sports 20% distribution rate. This was something Mannix mentioned on one of his podcasts btw.

Okay, so let's take a look at this. Let's say there are 400,000 buys and again, 1/3 come from ESPN+/Fox Sports.

280,000 * 75 = $21,000,000 * 60% = 12,600,000
120,000 * 75 = $9,000,000 * 80 = $7,200,000

Then let's say they put the fight at Cowboys stadium and again hold around 15-17k. They can increase the prices and easily obtain a 3M gate. Then from sponsors plus international money, they can bring in another 4-5M.

That alone brings in around 27M or so. That would be enough to give both fighters 10M plus all the promotional expenses and paying the undercard fighters.

Bob is not making sense here and he's all over the place.

Did you deduct the 40% that cable and satellite take from the PPV revenue?

Your sponsors and international money at $5 million is very generous. A fight between two relative unknowns will not make that much money from sponsors.

Your numbers are also assuming that Top Rank, PBC, ESPN, Showtime will be promoting/airing this fight for charity. Sponsors and international networks spend money on fights that will do good numbers. Neither Crawford or Spence are cash cows. If they are lucky maybe they get $1million each in sponsorship.

I would like Spence and Crawford to fight, but it's unfortunate that both want to ask for 8 digits. Neither guys are proven PPV stars. They are both good fighters, but where is there star power? It's non existent.


There are a few fighters who can afford to act like divas with money because they would most likely generate the money they want and make their promoter and networks a profit. Crawford/Spence don't fit that category.

[Fist_ti_cuffs]

That's just it....he doesn't want to let him go because that fight worth Spence is gonna make money. Bob Arum is full of **** and the anthesis of why people stereotype ***s.

[Fist_ti_cuffs]

That's a lie. That *** definitely still cares about his money because that's all he talks about. Just saying....

[Roadblock]

ha no fighter is going to be making big money with this covid stuff no gate money Arum sees the writing on the wall

In a weird way kind off like the gladiators would have been just a scuffle in a park without the Coliseum lol

[R_Walken]

Top Rank is de-prioritizing the Vets in the Stable who’ve reached their ceiling ( Loma / Bud ) to make room for The young guns ( Lopez / Shakur ) who are cheaper and Have the potential to be cross over stars.

Arum can’t have it both ways , Complain that swimming in his Scrooge Mcduck vault isn’t as enjoyable anymore because he had to Give some of it to Crawford

While also happier then a pig in sh.it To give Bud a lucrative extension ensuring that even with a barren stable Top Rank would have fighter who could produce Decent Ratings For them regardless of the opponent when he negotiated after a year for ESPN to extended their original contract By 4 years

Arum should Do his job work his Top Rank wizardry and match Bud up with some Opponets that Fans actually give a sh.it about.

I’m surprised Buds done as well as he has Considering He hasn’t had 1 big fight , just A Career of no hopers , No Names that held trinkets or fighters who are 2-3 years removed from when their name even mattered

[JakeTheBoxer]

If Pacquiao was 7-8 years younger and with Top rank, Arum wouldn`t be talking that ****. In that case he would make Pacquiao -Crawford easily, even trilogy.

Bradley was kinda boring fighter with no charisma, but he still got Pacquiao trilogy and Marquez fight by Bob.

Crawford is just not by Top rank at the right moment. 10 years ago he could have chosen between Margarito, Cotto, Pacquiao, Clottey.

[FeFist]

Mixed feelings on this.

I feel as though Bob is motivated by spite but, at the same time, Crawford is a fighter who frustrates me.

He has an opportunity to make himself the next name in boxing, but is not willing to do anything to improve his brand. On top of that he signed an extension knowing his promoter would not be able to put him in the mix with other welterweights.

The latter is a problem with the sport more so than Crawford. It should not matter what company a fighter is signed with and this practice goes against competition.

[KTFOKING]

Did you deduct the 40% that cable and satellite take from the PPV revenue?

Your sponsors and international money at $5 million is very generous. A fight between two relative unknowns will not make that much money from sponsors.

Your numbers are also assuming that Top Rank, PBC, ESPN, Showtime will be promoting/airing this fight for charity. Sponsors and international networks spend money on fights that will do good numbers. Neither Crawford or Spence are cash cows. If they are lucky maybe they get $1million each in sponsorship.

I would like Spence and Crawford to fight, but it's unfortunate that both want to ask for 8 digits. Neither guys are proven PPV stars. They are both good fighters, but where is there star power? It's non existent.


There are a few fighters who can afford to act like divas with money because they would most likely generate the money they want and make their promoter and networks a profit. Crawford/Spence don't fit that category.

Sponsors and international money of 5M for this fight is not all that generous. Bob even mentioned this fight can get that much.

And yes, that's why I multiplied it by 60%, taking out the 40% cable distribution. You didn't even take into consideration the buys that happen off Fox Sports and ESPN+. The digital buys are far more lucrative for the promoters as they get to keep a far larger percentage of the revenue.

You are way off here. Spence, according the Idec was guaranteed 9M vs Mikey while Mikey was guaranteed 8.5M. So why would he and Crawford not want 10M a piece?

And you didn't even include the live gate in your post. I was actually being conservative in my number of 3M there.

Trust me, if that fight does 400k buys, it will cover both fighters purses no problem.

[-Kev-]

Sponsors and international money of 5M for this fight is not all that generous. Bob even mentioned this fight can get that much.

And yes, that's why I multiplied it by 60%, taking out the 40% cable distribution. You didn't even take into consideration the buys that happen off Fox Sports and ESPN+. The digital buys are far more lucrative for the promoters as they get to keep a far larger percentage of the revenue.

You are way off here. Spence, according the Idec was guaranteed 9M vs Mikey while Mikey was guaranteed 8.5M. So why would he and Crawford not want 10M a piece?

And you didn't even include the live gate in your post. I was actually being conservative in my number of 3M there.

Trust me, if that fight does 400k buys, it will cover both fighters purses no problem.

As I said before, Mikey Garcia has a fanbase. Crawford does not. Crawford’s last PPV sold 50k.

There was also a live gate and closed circuits.

Mikey Garcia’s starpower > Spence and Crawford.

Mikey Garcia has a whole country that loves boxing.

Spence and Crawford live in a country that first and foremost the majority in this country inherently don’t like them no matter how nice they are. Look at how nice Paul Williams was as a person, “fans” still found a way to bash him and not like him even though he was an exciting boxer.

Secondly boxing popularity in the US is at an all time low.

[KTFOKING]

As I said before, Mikey Garcia has a fanbase. Crawford does not. Crawford’s last PPV sold 50k.

There was also a live gate and closed circuits.

Mikey Garcia’s starpower > Spence and Crawford.

Mikey Garcia has a whole country that loves boxing.

Spence and Crawford live in a country that first and foremost the majority in this country inherently don’t like them no matter how nice they are. Look at how nice Paul Williams was as a person, “fans” still found a way to bash him and not like him even though he was an exciting boxer.

Secondly boxing popularity in the US is at an all time low.

No, Crawford's last PPV sold around 120-125k buys.

And Garcia by no metric is a bigger name than Spence. They were pretty much on equal grounds going into their fight and Spence has elevated far past him. If Mikey was such a bigger name, than his gate in his following fight vs Vargas would have been bigger and Spence wouldn't have sold the amount of PPVs he did against Porter.

Predicting a buy rate of 400,000 is nothing crazy for Spence vs Crawford. Those two wanting 10M is also perfectly reasonable. Now, if one was making say 20M, then the other expecting 10M would be a no go from the start. Then there is no way you can make up for their purses. But 10M a piece? No problem!