better resume- anthony joshua or terence crawford?

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  • RJJ-94-02=GOAT
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    #41
    Originally posted by famicommander
    Oh, you're right. I had him confused with Omar Figueroa in my head for some reason. Whoops.
    You had me confused for a minute, I was thinking whether he won a belt at 135 but he never managed to reach the pinnacle at world level.

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    • John Locke
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      #42
      Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT
      Being a world champion is a distinction and factual piece of evidence that proves a fighter is at a certain level. It’s highest singular accolade you can achieve as an active fighter. Every fighter who turns pro aspires to be a world champion.

      If anyone can grab a belt these days, why didn’t Povetkin? What a contradiction...

      The only piece of evidence you can offer for AJ having a better resume is your opinion which is backed by no factual evidence therefore is irrelevant.

      Gamboa already had one fight at 135 when Crawford beat him, he hadn’t fought at featherweight weight for 3 years. Again man, twisting the narrative... that was viewed as a 50/50 fight at the time even the bookmakers had both at odds of 10/11.

      You’re free to believe AJ has the better resume but if you want to discuss it, please present some actual evidence instead of just your opinion.

      I can back my opinion by saying Crawford has beaten more defending world champions, more former world champions, more future world champions more has more title defences, has won more world titles, won more lineal titles, more undisputed titles, beaten more undefeated champions, more undefeated challengers. None of that is opinion, that’s all factual.

      What can you back your opinion with?
      You have world champions of different levels geezer. I know you're not this simple. I said anyone CAN grab a belt, it doesn't meant everyone will, there are many variables that come into play, such as opportunities you get, who those opportunities are against, WHEN you get the opportunity etc. This is all common sense.

      Who have Povetkin's title shots come against? Wlad and Joshua, two guys who **** on anyone on Crawford's resume. So yeah, not a contradiction at all, you might want to look up the definition of that word.

      Gamboa could have had several hundred fights at 135, it doesn't mean that's his natural weight class. He never achieved anything in that weight class and is clearly outmatched and outsized up there, against actual lightweights, let alone somebody like Crawford who looks to be a natural welterweight.

      I can name you fighters who have beaten more 'world champions' than Crawford but clearly aren't better fighters. I'm not sure why you're still using that formula to make your point, as we've clearly already established it's not a measuring stick for the quality of a fighter.

      So you can cherry-pick all the different spins you wanna put on this, but most level-headed, non-bias boxing fans who actually follow the sport will tell you Joshua CLEARLY has a better resume than Crawford.

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        #43
        Originally posted by John Locke
        Joshua CLEARLY has a better resume than Crawford.
        Once again you provide ZERO EVIDENCE to support your OPINION.

        Either provide factual context or don’t bother replying.

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          #44
          Originally posted by John Locke
          Gamboa could have had several hundred fights at 135, it doesn't mean that's his natural weight class. He never achieved anything in that weight class and is clearly outmatched and outsized up there, against actual lightweights, let alone somebody like Crawford who looks to be a natural welterweight.
          By that logic... is Pacquiao a blown up featherweight/lightweight?

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          • RJJ-94-02=GOAT
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            #45
            Originally posted by John Locke

            I can name you fighters who have beaten more 'world champions' than Crawford but clearly aren't better fighters.
            Yet didn’t name any...

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              #46
              Originally posted by famicommander
              More than double. The WBA (Regular) belt doesn't count so Povetkin isn't a real champion.

              Champions beaten by Joshua:
              Wladimir Klitschko
              Charles Martin
              Andy Ruiz Jr
              Joseph Parker

              Champions beaten by Crawford:
              Kell Brook
              Amir Khan
              Jeff Horn
              Julius Indongo
              John Molina
              Viktor Postol
              Ray Beltran
              Yuriorkis Gamboa
              Ricky Burns

              Crawford is 9-0-0-0 vs world champions, Joshua is 4-1-0-0.

              Crawford is a 3 division titlist, a 2 division lineal champion, and a 1 division undisputed champion.

              Joshua has not won any lineal title nor been undisputed, though he is a 2X unified champion.

              So Joshua must fight some past cruiserweight champs and jr. heavyweight champs and beats Crawford`s pathetic record easy.
              Last edited by JakeTheBoxer; 11-18-2020, 03:32 AM.

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                #47
                Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT
                Once again you provide ZERO EVIDENCE to support your OPINION.

                Either provide factual context or don’t bother replying.
                Okay I take back what I said, maybe you are a bit simple. Since you're choosing not to directly respond to the points I'm making (because you have nothing to argue against with), I'll leave it here.

                Good day.

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT
                  Yet didn’t name any...
                  Off the top of my head, from in and around Crawford's weight class who is still active, Amir Khan? Do you want me to research and list about a thousand others, to make your point look silly?

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                    #49
                    Crawford doesn’t really have that good of a resume?

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                    • RJJ-94-02=GOAT
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                      #50
                      Originally posted by John Locke
                      Okay I take back what I said, maybe you are a bit simple. Since you're choosing not to directly respond to the points I'm making (because you have nothing to argue against with), I'll leave it here.

                      Good day.
                      Originally posted by John Locke
                      Off the top of my head, from in and around Crawford's weight class who is still active, Amir Khan? Do you want me to research and list about a thousand others, to make your point look silly?
                      Again you’ve provided ZERO EVIDENCE to support your OPINION. You’re evidently the simple one as all you can offer is “I think AJ has fought better fighters” with no evidence behind it.

                      Khan has a great resume, a better resume than Crawford and a far superior resume to AJ. You’re literally proving my point.

                      Khan has fought Canelo, Crawford, Maidana, Garcia, Judah, Malignaggi, Collazo, Peterson, Barrera, Alexander.

                      He’s also beat 11 former/current/future world champions. Very strong resume. Which proves my analysis accurate.

                      Yeah that really makes my point look silly... What a dumbass...

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