Crawford is the same age as...

[elfag]

crawford wasted his prime. he could have signed with PBC and tried to unify welter, he took the easy lower risk money with Arum.

Now he is 33 and hasnt been facing the best so we dont know how bad he would be if he stepped up competition.

his best wins were gamboa and postol and that was both a long time ago and at lower weights.

[Southpawology]

Aside from Matthysse and Maidana he lost ALL those fights.

And Ortiz got stopped by all three of those.

Their collection of wins are not impressive whatsoever...

Well, thats what happens when you fight the best competition you take L's. Crawford doesnt know anything about that though.

And ortiz beat Berto for the WBC 147 that got him the floyd fight what are you talking about

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Well, thats what happens when you fight the best competition you take L's. Crawford doesnt know anything about that though.

And ortiz beat Berto for the WBC 147 that got him the floyd fight what are you talking about

Then got KTFO in the rematch.

Viktor Postol, Gamboa, Beltran, Burns, Horn, Khan are all solid wins whichever way you wanna spin it.

Postol literally stopped Matthysse who’s arguably Alexander’s best win.

I’ll put it this way... Crawford is already a sure fire HOF’er, Alexander and Ortiz won’t even make the ballot.

[GhostofDempsey]

Ahhh, yes. The entire division pushed him to sign with TR and they alllllll use the across the street excuse...while fighting each other.

Mmhmm....yeah..... that’s what happened. Bud wanted those fights so bad he signed with a promoter who had zero of them... that’s a fine argument you have. His sole reason for signing a contract for years and multiple fights was to get a hold of one old man

Fighting Pac would have gotten him 2 or 3x what he'd get to fight Garcia, Porter or Thurman. Those guys only made $2M or less to fight one another. PBC guys were not and are not getting rich fighting one another. Spence has pulled away from the pack but earned about the same as Bud to date. When you get down to it, fighters fight for money first, legacy second. Bud made a smart fiscal choice, but it's impacting his legacy. That can all turn around in a couple of fights.

If Danny loses to Spence what's his legacy? Three losses to the three top welters? Never earning more than $2m for a fight?

[daggum]

Fighting Pac would have gotten him 2 or 3x what he'd get to fight Garcia, Porter or Thurman. Those guys only made $2M or less to fight one another. PBC guys were not and are not getting rich fighting one another. Spence has pulled away from the pack but earned about the same as Bud to date. When you get down to it, fighters fight for money first, legacy second. Bud made a smart fiscal choice, but it's impacting his legacy. That can all turn around in a couple of fights.

If Danny loses to Spence what's his legacy? Three losses to the three top welters? Never earning more than $2m for a fight?

but he didnt fight pac...he priced himself out like a B and wanted more money than thurman who has had 5 million viewers and does more viewers on average than crawford

[Madison Boxing]

yeah and he gets a free pass because of 'promotional issues' even though fury and wilder managed to work a fight out pretty easy with top tank and haymon, apparantly crawford cant. he flat out ducked porter and gets a free pass for it

[GhostofDempsey]

but he didnt fight pac...he priced himself out like a B and wanted more money than thurman who has had 5 million viewers and does more viewers on average than crawford

From what I read, it was the COVID lockdowns that threw cold water on his asking price. They couldn't get a live gate and guarantee his $10M. Not sure what negotiations took place pre-COVID. Either way, Bud has earned just as much as Spence to this point. His wins are about equal with Spence holding wins over Brook, Porter, Mikey, and Bud holding wins over Burns, Gamboa, Postol, Benavidez and Khan.

If Spence beats Danny it raises his stock higher than if Bud beats Brook, but they still earn about the same.

Bottom line, if each of them win their next fight, they need to face one another in their next fight. No more excuses or marinating. Get it done in 2021.

[Roadblock]

but he didnt fight pac...he priced himself out like a B and wanted more money than thurman who has had 5 million viewers and does more viewers on average than crawford

How do you price yourself out when youre a undefeated multi WC and you get around 30% of the what the other guy gets.

Manny doesnt want TC thats what up, if TC looks sketchy with Brook Manny will step up, if TC looks great Manny will never fight him.

[daggum]

How do you price yourself out when youre a undefeated multi WC and you get around 30% of the what the other guy gets.

Manny doesnt want TC thats what up, if TC looks sketchy with Brook Manny will step up, if TC looks great Manny will never fight him.

he just offered him the fight and a career high pay day. tc doenst want pac thats what up. you price yourself out by demanding more than you are worth pretty simple. crawford is not a huge draw. for example thurman a much bigger draw got 8 million and crawford wanted more than that? pretty absurd. pac just did 500k ppv buys. crawford has done 50k so pac should in reality get closer to 90 percent not 70.

[NearHypnos]

Fighting Pac would have gotten him 2 or 3x what he'd get to fight Garcia, Porter or Thurman. Those guys only made $2M or less to fight one another. PBC guys were not and are not getting rich fighting one another. Spence has pulled away from the pack but earned about the same as Bud to date. When you get down to it, fighters fight for money first, legacy second. Bud made a smart fiscal choice, but it's impacting his legacy. That can all turn around in a couple of fights.

If Danny loses to Spence what's his legacy? Three losses to the three top welters? Never earning more than $2m for a fight?

Bud didn’t get the Pac fight. Beating these guys would have put him over. It’s easy to pull in a few mil when you’re fighting dudes making a couple hundred K or maxing at a mil. It’d be MUCH more lucrative fighting and beating these other guys, especially in the long run.

Look, we know Bud is making good money. No one denies it.


But if you think Danny is making bad money...Danny is making 5mil+PPV to fight Spence or something of that nature. Spence is making about double.

You’re actually proving the point... Spence has pulled away by fighting bigger fights.

Bud is fighting for less than 2mil right now. That’s quite the decrease considering it’s sadly the biggest fight of his career.

I don’t think Bud has earned as much as Spence despite Bud being a p4per for longer. Then again, I don’t remember his 140 purses. With both Garcias alone, Spence is looking at a cool 20mil.

Amazing what opponent renown does for your money