Who'll go down in history as the greater fighter, Holyfield or Tyson?

[Dye]

Split two....means, of two fights between two men, one each gets a win, ergo, they split the series at one a piece, or Holyfield split two with Moorer....or Moorer split two with Holyfield.

damn you got me i am man enough to admit a mistake

[K-DOGG]

...and incidentally, the first Moorer fight was a Majority Decision, not a split decision. That means one judge had it even while the other two had it for Michael Moorer.

[K-DOGG]

damn you got me i am man enough to admit a mistake

We cool, man. All of us miss one every now and then. We're boxing fans, how can we not be a little stubborn?

[K-DOGG]

Now, on the issue of Tyson having no heart....bullspit.

Tyson was getting the crap kicked out of him against Douglas; but fought back and dropped him in the 8th...and charged after Douglas in teh 9th to get him out of there. Even after Buster hurt him again in the middle of the round, Mike found that same uppercut again; but this time, Douglas fell forward on top of Mike, who's back was to the ropes. What that means is Mike was still trying to win......THAT'S HEART, FOLKS!!

Against Ruddock in the first fight, Razor landed some monster shots all night; but Mike kept coming. In the 6th, Ruddock nailed the hell out of Tyson and had him hurt at the bell; but Mike came out in the 7th and hurth Ruddock badly. If Richard Steele hadn't stopped it prematurely, odds are Mike would have ended matters in that round. And then, Mike challenged this dangerous hitter again.....folks, once again, THAT'S HEART!

if you want to go back farther, Tyson was hurt in the first round against Frank Bruno as well; but came back and stopped him in the 5th.


The Tyson that came out of prison was not the same man, much less the same fighter as the one who went in with a record of 41-1. Could Holyfield have beaten him in 1991 is anyone's guess; but the fighter he beat in '96 was not the same man, period.

Was the Ali of 1960-67 the same as the Ali of 1970-81?

Was the Foreman of 1969-77 the same as the Foreman of 1987-97?

You can't have a double standard, here, folks.

[Mike Tyson77]

They are both top 10. I have to go with Tyson. He did more between 1986-1990 then most fighters do in there entire career.

[Xcel]

Easily its Holyfield. Four Time world champion is all I need to hear. IMO opinion he is the only guy to beat Tyson with No exscuses. Tyson was in shape and trained and still young.

[Dye]

Easily its Holyfield. Four Time world champion is all I need to hear. IMO opinion he is the only guy to beat Tyson with No exscuses. Tyson was in shape and trained and still young.

True tyson said BEFORE the fight "if Holyfeild wins he beats me at my BEST"

[The Noose]

Now, on the issue of Tyson having no heart....bullspit.

Tyson was getting the crap kicked out of him against Douglas; but fought back and dropped him in the 8th...and charged after Douglas in teh 9th to get him out of there. Even after Buster hurt him again in the middle of the round, Mike found that same uppercut again; but this time, Douglas fell forward on top of Mike, who's back was to the ropes. What that means is Mike was still trying to win......THAT'S HEART, FOLKS!!

Against Ruddock in the first fight, Razor landed some monster shots all night; but Mike kept coming. In the 6th, Ruddock nailed the hell out of Tyson and had him hurt at the bell; but Mike came out in the 7th and hurth Ruddock badly. If Richard Steele hadn't stopped it prematurely, odds are Mike would have ended matters in that round. And then, Mike challenged this dangerous hitter again.....folks, once again, THAT'S HEART!

if you want to go back farther, Tyson was hurt in the first round against Frank Bruno as well; but came back and stopped him in the 5th.


The Tyson that came out of prison was not the same man, much less the same fighter as the one who went in with a record of 41-1. Could Holyfield have beaten him in 1991 is anyone's guess; but the fighter he beat in '96 was not the same man, period.

Was the Ali of 1960-67 the same as the Ali of 1970-81?

Was the Foreman of 1969-77 the same as the Foreman of 1987-97?

You can't have a double standard, here, folks.

Thats very true.
The only thing id say is that Tyson was always the favourite to win. He never beat anyone he was expected to lose against and lost against people he was expected to destroy.
Whereas its the opposite with Holyfield.

I believe if both in their primes Tyson would of defeated Holyfield BUT Holyfield came up from the Cruiserweights to defeat Bowe and stop Tyson.
As far as overcoming the odds and beating bigger very good fighters, i have to give it to Holyfield.

[K-DOGG]

Easily its Holyfield. Four Time world champion is all I need to hear. IMO opinion he is the only guy to beat Tyson with No exscuses. Tyson was in shape and trained and still young.

1. Holyfield was only a Two-Time Lineal World Champion...that alphabet crap doesn't count.

2. It doesnt' matter what Tyson said. What Is is a different matter altogehter. One merely has to look at a post-prison Tyson fight and compare it to one of his title defenses to see the difference in the fighter.

Short, compact, aggressive fighters do not have the same shelf life as mobile boxers.


Case in point: Joe Frazier (compare the first Ali fight to the last), Rocky Marciano (retired at 31), Jack Dempsey (look at the Tunney fights vs the Willard fight), and on and on.

Tyson would have been past his best at 30 whether or not he went to prison. The fact that he was out of the game for 4 years is not something that can be ignored; nor the fact that he had just 7 rounds under his belt after getting out by the time he met Holyfield.

Evander wasn't at his best, either....don't misunderstand me. Tyson-Holyfield I was akin to Ali-Frazier III as far as the skill-level of both contestants. Should either Ali or Frazier be judged based on the "Thrilla in Manilla"? No; and neither should Tyson nor Holyfield be judged on their encounter.

[K-DOGG]

Thats very true.
The only thing id say is that Tyson was always the favourite to win. He never beat anyone he was expected to lose against and lost against people he was expected to destroy.
Whereas its the opposite with Holyfield.

I believe if both in their primes Tyson would of defeated Holyfield BUT Holyfield came up from the Cruiserweights to defeat Bowe and stop Tyson.
As far as overcoming the odds and beating bigger very good fighters, i have to give it to Holyfield.

....but, wouldn't you say that is the product of grievous miscalculations on the part of pundits and fans? Granted, Holyfield deserved to be the underdog in the firt Tyson fight due to his previous showings; but Mike wasn't the Mike everybody wanted him to be, either.

When Mike went to prison, he was on the cusp of a showdown with Holyfield for the belt; and people held on to that image of him being "the man" even after he got out of jail.

The "myth" of Tyson lived on; the reality was something different.