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  • Doubledagger
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    #11
    Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT
    I agree tbh man, he does want the big fights but he doesn’t demand they happen ASAP.

    He shouldn’t have re-signed with Arum in hindsight, it’s effectively a roadblock to a fight with the PBC guys.

    Hopefully we get a Fury-Wilder situation and Arum and Al can work together.

    I have no interest in seeing Crawford fight the likes of Brook.
    Its different from the Wilder Fury situation.

    Firstly, the Wilder Fury first fight had already happened when Arum became Fury's promoter. Secondly, Fury is co promoted by Arum and Warren.

    Those may seem like small differences but they actually have a huge impact on things.

    Finally, the heavyweight division is dry. Wilder had no top opponents at PBC to fight. However, Haymon has a whole lot of options for in house fights with Spence, Pacquiao, Thurman, Porter, Ugas, and Garcia.

    They don't need Crawford as much as Wilder and Fury needed each other.

    In any case, Crawford made the call to stay with Arum on his own, he needs to own up to it.

    He chose money over legacy. He needs to stop pretending like he didn’t


    ESPN and Top Rank offered him 3M guaranteed per fight regardless of who he fights. He probably thought that PBC couldn't match that offer and decided to stay.

    Funny thing is he likely would have made more at PBC because every fight would have been ppv against all those top guys at PBC.

    Of course, he would have to win them all to keep earning, which would have been tough.

    Personally I think he would have won all of them except for Spence.

    I think that one would have beeb 50-50.

    Nevetheless he has made his choice. Money over legacy.

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    • South Champion
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      #12
      Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT
      Brook hasn’t had a relevant win since 2014. He’s washed...
      But you can't say that Crawford-Brook wouldn't be a better fight if was happening at 154 instead of 147.

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        #13
        Originally posted by Doubledagger
        Its different from the Wilder Fury situation.

        Firstly, the Wilder Fury first fight had already happened when Arum became Fury's promoter. Secondly, Fury is co promoted by Arum and Warren.

        Those may seem like small differences but they actually have a huge impact on things.

        Finally, the heavyweight division is dry. Wilder had no top opponents at PBC to fight. However, Haymon has a whole lot of options for in house fights with Spence, Pacquiao, Thurman, Porter, Ugas, and Garcia.

        They don't need Crawford as much as Wilder and Fury needed each other.

        In any case, Crawford made the call to stay with Arum on his own, he needs to own up to it.

        He chose money over legacy. He needs to stop pretending like he didn’t


        ESPN and Top Rank offered him 3M guaranteed per fight regardless of who he fights. He probably thought that PBC couldn't match that offer and decided to stay.

        Funny thing is he likely would have made more at PBC because every fight would have been ppv against all those top guys at PBC.

        Of course, he would have to win them all to keep earning, which would have been tough.

        Personally I think he would have won all of them except for Spence.

        I think that one would have beeb 50-50.

        Nevetheless he has made his choice. Money over legacy.
        Yeah I completely get where you are coming from.

        Wilder needed Fury, whereas Spence doesn’t necessarily need Crawford when he has Pacquiao, Garcia, Thurman, Porter etc all on his side of the street as he likes to say.

        I’d actually pick Crawford to beat them all. Him vs Spence is an excellent fight, one of the very best that could be made in boxing, but I like Crawford by decision in that one.

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          #14
          Originally posted by South Champion
          But you can't say that Crawford-Brook wouldn't be a better fight if was happening at 154 instead of 147.
          I get what you’re saying as Brook can barely make 147 but Brook loses every round at any weight.

          The talent gap is simply too big at this point, Brook is just cashing whatever’s left of his name out.

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            #15
            Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT
            Yeah I completely get where you are coming from.

            Wilder needed Fury, whereas Spence doesn’t necessarily need Crawford when he has Pacquiao, Garcia, Thurman, Porter etc all on his side of the street as he likes to say.

            I’d actually pick Crawford to beat them all. Him vs Spence is an excellent fight, one of the very best that could be made in boxing, but I like Crawford by decision in that one.
            Yeah if Spence is healthy from the accident but goes back to his lazy blow up in weight between fights tendencies then I'll have to give go 60-40 for Crawford.

            But if no damage from accident and Spence really has turned things around in terms of discipline then its a 50-50.

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              #16
              if his aim is to retire undefeated then no not all

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                #17
                Originally posted by Doubledagger
                Yeah if Spence is healthy from the accident but goes back to his lazy blow up in weight between fights tendencies then I'll have to give go 60-40 for Crawford.

                But if no damage from accident and Spence really has turned things around in terms of discipline then its a 50-50.
                The one thing that will give Spence trouble is lateral movement IMO. I just think it’s a tougher fight for Spence stylistically.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by South Champion
                  I think he should've done the Kell Brook fight at 154 to make more of a statement.

                  Brook is undefeated at 154. People would still say that Brook was past it, but now they're going to say he was past it & weight drained to a division he hasn't fought at in years.
                  With Kell’s recent weight woes...you could argue even 54 is draining lmao.

                  Bud is in no hurry to fight the baddest men his size. It’s honestly to the point where you might have to question his ability. Most elite fighters will look like absolute destroyers fighting his level of comp... we still dont know how good he’d look against a top 5 ww. How sad is that.

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                    #19
                    Crawford only cares about getting paid.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by NearHypnos
                      With Kell’s recent weight woes...you could argue even 54 is draining lmao.

                      Bud is in no hurry to fight the baddest men his size. It’s honestly to the point where you might have to question his ability. Most elite fighters will look like absolute destroyers fighting his level of comp... we still dont know how good he’d look against a top 5 ww. How sad is that.
                      Crawford is in his 3rd weight class and he has stopped all 4 of his opponents at 147. He's doing what he needs to do, but he & Spence need to fight next.

                      If Crawford and Spence win, they probably won't get Pac, so there will no point anyone else but each other.

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