Is Lomachenko Done/Figured Out? Does He Beat Haney?

**MUNG** · 10-30-2020, 10:53 AM

2 shoulder op's, he may be done alrite

i hope not, haney would be a good fight i think, would like to see it

**whollisboxing** · 10-30-2020, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by Maclovesboxing

Unless your some super-bias fanboy of Lomachenko you can admit that there is a gameplan to beating him. Fast, strong jab, apply some pressure, and put some pop on them left-hooks when he's trying to step around you and do that matrix ishh. With that being said, do you think Haney can use the same game plan as Teofimo and coast to an even easier decision victory. Keep in mind that Haney has longer arms than fimo, and some Haney fans will say that he has a "much better" skillset than fimo.

There is a gameplan to beat everyone because no fighter is invincible, however I think that executing the gameplan is easier said than done.

Let's say Haney wants to employ Teo's gameplan; What if Loma starts faster because he doesn't want to give up rounds? What if Haney doesn't have the power to keep him honest? Let's not forget that Loma turned it on in the second half and Teo showed championship grit to finish strong in the 12th.

I'm not saying Haney can't win but Loma will make adjustments too.

**RJJ-94-02=GOAT** · 10-30-2020, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by Maclovesboxing

Unless your some super-bias fanboy of Lomachenko you can admit that there is a gameplan to beating him. Fast, strong jab, apply some pressure, and put some pop on them left-hooks when he's trying to step around you and do that matrix ishh. With that being said, do you think Haney can use the same game plan as Teofimo and coast to an even easier decision victory. Keep in mind that Haney has longer arms than fimo, and some Haney fans will say that he has a "much better" skillset than fimo.

At this point in time... Who has Haney beat to suggest he�d even be competitive with Loma?

Haney has only showcased his skill set against C level guys and worse.

**RJJ-94-02=GOAT** · 10-30-2020, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by whollisboxing

There is a gameplan to beat everyone because no fighter is invincible, however I think that executing the gameplan is easier said than done.

Let's say Haney wants to employ Teo's gameplan; What if Loma starts faster because he doesn't want to give up rounds? What if Haney doesn't have the power to keep him honest? Let's not forget that Loma turned it on in the second half and Teo showed championship grit to finish strong in the 12th.

I'm not saying Haney can't win but Loma will make adjustments too.

Good post...

I wanna at least see Haney fight someone credible before we put him in with Teofimo, Loma, Tank etc.

**Maclovesboxing** · 10-30-2020, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by whollisboxing

There is a gameplan to beat everyone because no fighter is invincible, however I think that executing the gameplan is easier said than done.

Let's say Haney wants to employ Teo's gameplan; What if Loma starts faster because he doesn't want to give up rounds? What if Haney doesn't have the power to keep him honest? Let's not forget that Loma turned it on in the second half and Teo showed championship grit to finish strong in the 12th.

I'm not saying Haney can't win but Loma will make adjustments too.

I mostly agree with you, but did Lomachenko purposely start slower because he "wanted to" give up rounds and wait out Lopez, or was it that he was being controlled, and simply couldn't figure out how to get in. I mean, Lomachenko never had this problem before the Neofimo fight, so it makes most sense to me that Teofimo Lopez neutralized Lomachenko for the first 7 or 8 rounds. THEN, Lomachenko said screw it I'm going inside the pocket and going to trade with Fimo. Not to mention that Lomachenko didn't start coming forward, in the second-half of the fight, until Teofimo clearly started showing some focus issues and stamina issues, which may have been caused by "the in the clench punching" and blatant head butting.

**Luilun** · 10-30-2020, 12:52 PM

It's not about him being done it's those 2 shoulder surgeries in 3 years that might be it. Had to fix my grammar

**GhostofDempsey** · 10-30-2020, 12:54 PM

Figured out? No one figured him out, he beat himself. Can't win a fight fighting six rounds.

**BoxingIsGreat** · 10-30-2020, 01:00 PM

That's the best route for him, I think. He brings nothing to the table at this point, so no reason to fight him. Loma is done.

**CauliflowerEars** · 10-30-2020, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by Luilun

It's not about him being done it's that should 2 surgeries in 3 years that might be it

Originally posted by GhostofDempsey

Figured out? No one figured him out, he beat himself. Can't win a fight fighting six rounds.

Yeah done or figured out doesn't really characterize where he's at now, I think.
I think physically and maybe mentally as well, he is less than he was a year ago. Over 400 fights, the training, the focus, moving up weight classes, employing his style, I believe has taken its toll.
Much like Breadman commented, I think there's a chance he just retires. It appears he is on the decline. He's passed his peak. Father time is knocking.

Can he still win ? Of course, he was that good. Younger, tough, bigger guys ? ..... not so sure ---

Is Lomachenko Done/Figured Out? Does He Beat Haney?