Chocolatito, Rungvisai, Estrada, Cuadras: this era's Fab Four???

[JOITATS]

As someone mentioned he’s signed with MTK. 2 years inactivity and 38 now so not sure how much he has left.

great fighter, maybe he can fight for the belt one more time

[crold1]

Nietes did avoid Roman Gonzalez down at 105 and 108.

Ioka didn’t duck either, by the time he got to 108 both Gonzalez and Estrada had moved to 112.

Nietes and Ioka have both achieved more than Sor Rungvisai and Cuadras so it’s definitely a super 6 if you include the latter 2.

Not at all the case. Ioka won the sub-WBA at 108 while Roman was there right around the same time as Choc-Gallo. Held the WBA sub at 112 while Estrada was unified at the weight. Not saying either ducked. I think Ioka and Nietes would have got in there. Their management was less interested. Their accomplishments at lower weights are solid but the foursome at 115 has had eight of their nine at that weight. Ioka and Nietes haven't played a part.

Still love to see Choc versus either (both) before he's done since they caught belts in the same classes as him in his tailwind.

All that said, speaks to the remarkable depth of this sub-bantam decade and change. Best little man era since the 70s at least.

[famicommander]

November 17, 2012: Chocolatito def. Estrada, UD12
May 31, 2014: Cuadras def. Sor Rungvisai, TD8
March 18, 2017: Sor Rungvisai def. Chocolatito, MD12
September 10, 2016: Chocolatito def. Cuadras, UD12
September 9, 2017: Estrada def. Cuadras, UD12
September 9, 2017: Sor Rungvisai def. Chocolatito, KO4
February 24, 2018: Sor Rungvisai def. Estrada, MD12
April 26, 2019: Estrada def. Sor Rungvisai, UD12
October 23, 2020: Estrada def Cuadras, TKO11

Career records
Carlos Cuadras: 39-4-1-0, 27 KO
former WBC Super Flyweight Champion (6 successful defenses)

Juan Francisco Estrada: 44-3-0-0, 28 KO
Former WBA/WBO Flyweight Champion (5 successful defenses)
Current WBC/The Ring/Lineal Super Flyweight Champion (2 successful defenses)

Roman "Chocolatito" Gonzalez: 50-2-0-0, 41 KO
Former WBA Minimumweight Champion (3 successful defenses)
Former WBA Light Flyweight Champion (5 successful defenses)
Former WBC/The Ring/Lineal Flyweight Champion (4 successful defenses)
Former WBC Super Flyweight Champion
Reigning WBA Super Flyweight Champion (1 successful defense)

Srisaket Sor Rungvisai: 49-5-1-0, 42 KO
Former WBC/The Ring/Lineal Super Flyweight Champion (3 successful WBC defenses, 1 successful The Ring/Lineal defense)

A card featuring Estrada vs Chocolatito II and Sor Rungvisai vs Cuadras II HAS to be next.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Not at all the case. Ioka won the sub-WBA at 108 while Roman was there right around the same time as Choc-Gallo. Held the WBA sub at 112 while Estrada was unified at the weight. Not saying either ducked. I think Ioka and Nietes would have got in there. Their management was less interested. Their accomplishments at lower weights are solid but the foursome at 115 has had eight of their nine at that weight. Ioka and Nietes haven't played a part.

Still love to see Choc versus either (both) before he's done since they caught belts in the same classes as him in his tailwind.

All that said, speaks to the remarkable depth of this sub-bantam decade and change. Best little man era since the 70s at least.

Nah Ioka didn’t win the WBA 108 title until Dec 2012. At that point Gonzalez had already had his last fight at 108 and had announced his intentions to move to 112.

By the time Ioka won a belt at 112, Estrada was inactive due to hand injuries. The fight was actually ordered in 2016 but Estrada was already moving to 115.

https://www.boxingscene.com/juan-francisco-estrada-vs-kazuto-ioka-ordered-by-wba--106724

He didn’t avoid either, other stuff just got in the way.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

great fighter, maybe he can fight for the belt one more time

Yeah he should definitely get another shot.

I’ve wanted to see Gonzalez vs Nietes since there days at 105 and 108. Better late than never...

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

November 17, 2012: Chocolatito def. Estrada, UD12
May 31, 2014: Cuadras def. Sor Rungvisai, TD8
March 18, 2017: Sor Rungvisai def. Chocolatito, MD12
September 10, 2016: Chocolatito def. Cuadras, UD12
September 9, 2017: Estrada def. Cuadras, UD12
September 9, 2017: Sor Rungvisai def. Chocolatito, KO4
February 24, 2018: Sor Rungvisai def. Estrada, MD12
April 26, 2019: Estrada def. Sor Rungvisai, UD12
October 23, 2020: Estrada def Cuadras, TKO11

Career records
Carlos Cuadras: 39-4-1-0, 27 KO
former WBC Super Flyweight Champion (6 successful defenses)

Juan Francisco Estrada: 44-3-0-0, 28 KO
Former WBA/WBO Flyweight Champion (5 successful defenses)
Current WBC/The Ring/Lineal Super Flyweight Champion (2 successful defenses)

Roman "Chocolatito" Gonzalez: 50-2-0-0, 41 KO
Former WBA Minimumweight Champion (3 successful defenses)
Former WBA Light Flyweight Champion (5 successful defenses)
Former WBC/The Ring/Lineal Flyweight Champion (4 successful defenses)
Former WBC Super Flyweight Champion
Reigning WBA Super Flyweight Champion (1 successful defense)

Srisaket Sor Rungvisai: 49-5-1-0, 42 KO
Former WBC/The Ring/Lineal Super Flyweight Champion (3 successful WBC defenses, 1 successful The Ring/Lineal defense)

A card featuring Estrada vs Chocolatito II and Sor Rungvisai vs Cuadras II HAS to be next.

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=858495

My thoughts exactly! Needs to happen!

[Real King Kong]

Lol what?????

Didn’t Sergio mora say that during the fight? Maybe it was the other guy.

[LoadedWraps]

What's crazy is that Rungvisai is the mandatory to the winner of Estrada-Gonzalez II. If El Gallo goes 3-0 against Cuadras, Chocolatito and Rungvisai back to back that would be a hell of an accomplishment.

A big if. All great fights for sure.

[LoadedWraps]

Hell yes. Best perfect foursome since the 80s. 9 fights. 7 were badass. Four or five were FOTY contenders so far (including tonight). One of the more memorable KOs in recent vintage in Choc-Sor II. And the only 'bad' fight was still pretty good; just had a cut stop when it was heating up. And there will be at least 2-3 more from this crew.

Every fight fan owes a tip of the cap to these four.

I agree completely. Great post Cliff.

[£-4-£]

For sure they are.

Cuadras clearly a cut below the other three in terms of accomplishments but I think we'll see a rematch with SSR.

These little guys have other great triangles going on also:

Nietes has beaten Ioka. Ioka barely lost to Ruenroeng who 'beat' Casimero and then got stopped by him. SSR recently edged Ruenroeng. Ioka beat Yaegashi in a unification, Yaegashi stopped SSR (very early in SSR's career). Yaegashi also lost to Choco and Mthlane. Mthlane also beat Casimero and Tete. Casimero stopped Tete.

The smaller divisions never fail to deliver!

I think Donaire would have been the King from 115-118 had he moved back down after losing to Rigo. Donaire beat only Mthlane out of all the names listed. Had he stuck around I don't think I'd choose any name here to beat him. Prime Nonito beats Inoue also. If he beats Oubaali and can make 115 (like he claims) to win a title, he's without a doubt an ATG.