SportingNews: We scored it a DRAW. 114-114

[Combat Talk Radio]

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Focusing only on the true swing rounds (2, and 7)

Round 2: Another good round for Lopez as he continued to pump the jab and landed a solid left hook. But Lomachenko came on in the final moments when he landed a crisp combination. It was enough to win the round but the momentum looks to be shifting. (10-9 Lomachenko, 19-19)

HELL No. I emphatically disagree. You cannot win a round by landing one combo at the end of it after getting pieced up for the majority of it.

Round 7: Lomachenko opened himself up by going inside and being willing to exchange, and he landed the crisper shots. You can see Lopez starting to get unglued and getting frustrated when Lomachenko would fight in the clinch. He needs to keep himself composed. (10-9 Lomachenko, 68-65 Lopez)

Completely agree, and this is what people ignored.

[crold1]

Thought Loma would win going in. He did not. All three official judges gave Lopez the first seven rounds. Because he won them. They were some of the easiest rounds to score in recent memory. 2 and 7 weren't swing rounds unless one desperately wanted to give Loma something.

[Johnny2x2x]

Thought Loma would win going in. He did not. All three official judges gave Lopez the first seven rounds. Because he won them. They were some of the easiest rounds to score in recent memory. 2 and 7 weren't swing rounds unless one desperately wanted to give Loma something.

Exactly this. The 2nd was all Lopez save for 1 straight left Loma landed in the middle of the round and then a 3 punch combo in the last 12 seconds. You don't win a round for 4 punches landed when the other guy was scoring the other 2 minutes 55 seconds of the round.

And 7 wasn't any closer either. Loma started to try to pressure that round so it looked different, but he was still out landed badly.

Watch the rounds people, the first 7 were easy to score, 7-0 Lopez, the fight was effectively over after round 7. Then he left no doubt with a brutally dominant 12th.

I think a long time issue with fans and most announcers is that they don't score body shots. And they don't realize that the judges do. 3 clean body shots is scored the same as 3 clean head shots for most judges.

[TonyGe]

Sporting news?? Are they nuts?? Lomachenko wasn't even in the fight until the last 5 rounds and he clearly lost the 12th and might have lost another one of those last rounds.

[crold1]

Exactly this. The 2nd was all Lopez save for 1 straight left Loma landed in the middle of the round and then a 3 punch combo in the last 12 seconds. You don't win a round for 4 punches landed when the other guy was scoring the other 2 minutes 55 seconds of the round.

And 7 wasn't any closer either. Loma started to try to pressure that round so it looked different, but he was still out landed badly.

Watch the rounds people, the first 7 were easy to score, 7-0 Lopez, the fight was effectively over after round 7. Then he left no doubt with a brutally dominant 12th.

I think a long time issue with fans and most announcers is that they don't score body shots. And they don't realize that the judges do. 3 clean body shots is scored the same as 3 clean head shots for most judges.

CompuBox is a flawed metric but its a good snapshot of what I saw in this one. Lopez didn't just outwork Loma. By their count, Lopez out threw him in every round, often by close a 2 or 3-1 margin. Loma didn't get credit for landing more until round nine. I think the fair range for this fight was really 8-4 to 10-2 (two of the four I scored for Loma I had to think about). Even 7-5 is really bending over backwards for Loma. Lederman's card was too wide but realistically only by a frame which isn't as bad as it's made about to be.

[Johnny2x2x]

CompuBox is a flawed metric but its a good snapshot of what I saw in this one. Lopez didn't just outwork Loma. By their count, Lopez out threw him in every round, often by close a 2 or 3-1 margin. Loma didn't get credit for landing more until round nine. I think the fair range for this fight was really 8-4 to 10-2 (two of the four I scored for Loma I had to think about). Even 7-5 is really bending over backwards for Loma. Lederman's card was too wide but realistically only by a frame which isn't as bad as it's made about to be.

I said the same thing when the punch stats per round were released. Compubox punch stats are sometimes flawed, but in this case it pretty much matched exactly what I saw round by round.

YEah, 7-5 is absolutely bending over backwards, that means you gave Loma two close rounds in 8 and 9, and then 2 rounds in 2 and 7 where he was badly out landed and controlled.

[UNBIASED BOXING]

If you rewatch the fight:

Round #2 was a Lopez round. It was close, but a slight edge to Lopez


Round #5 was a Loma round (close round).
1:54 Lomachenko jab lands on the side of Lopez head/ear area
1:52 Lomachenko lands a clean right hook on Lopez
1:52 Lopez almost lands a clean straight right in return. Loma did well to step back as it came because it appears to graze his chin.
1:46 Lopez lands a clean right to Loma's body
1:34 Lopez lands a jab to Loma's body
1:22 Lomachenko lands a jab to the face of Lopez
1:17 Lopez might have landed a jab to Loma's body (terrible camera angle)
1:09 Lomachenko lands a jab to to the face of Lopez
:47 Lopez right uppercut to the body blocked
:47 Lopez left uppercut to the body looks clean but appears to have been partially below the line, so how would that be ruled?
:43 Lopez left jab looks like it might have either been blocked or a grazing punch, not sure.
:30 Lomachenko lands what appears to be a grazing jab

-Neither fighter lands anything the final exchanges in the last 10 seconds. They both throw but nothing connects.


I can't help but feel that Lopez received too much credit for throwing more punches, even when majority did not connect, or were not clean. He won the fight, 115-113 or 116-112, but some of those rounds were close. #2 was close, but I still think Lopez did a bit more to win. #5, however, was a close round for Loma.

[nubianpiye]

Insane how many Loma fans are coming out of the woodwork and displaying that they don't know ****!

[pretty ste]

That’s what happens when you hold Loma at such a high standard they still give him rounds he don’t win this fight was easy to score I keep hearing people had it a draw how that fight was no draw I though this fight would have no controversy but the Loma fanboys are creating this fake controversy so he could get a rematch Lopez beat him fair and square 116 112 was the most legit scorecard

[pretty ste]

I don’t know what they were watching a draw he’ll no Loma lost that fight fair and square and I like Lima huge fan but the Loma fanboys have to admit that he lost fair and square this is something new to them Loma hasn’t lost in 6 in half years they not taking this L lightly