The Myth of black decline and Eastern European dominance in boxing

[PRINCEKOOL]

Anishinaabe, my friend. I got a job that can be boring and little ones who love dinosaurs more than boxing so I spend too much of my time here. I notice certain posters rooting for certain fighters and it gets to be obvious why after a while.

But ain't none of us better than one another just because of race. That kinda shit is foolish.

Tour guy on holiday one time was a 'Apache' this was in the Mediterranean 'Boat tour guide'.

I am neutral with most fighters, since David Haye retired.

Yes Boxing fans are overt, THIS is a very overt place.

Note: This man claimed he was Apache, my mother did not quite believe him.

[kingstip9]

This thread was influenced by the Arum avoids black boxers post, and The Paulie Malignaggi comments that unfairly (in my opinion) led to his dismissal.

The narrative in boxing seems to be that Eastern Europeans now dominate boxing due in no part to fantastic fighters like Lomachenko and Beterbiev; however, in Boxing's 17 weight classes, we currently have 16 black champions of African descent whereas you currently have 8 champions of eastern European descent.

The Dominant nation is still America with 19 champions, and the United Kingdom, a tiny nation continues to punch above its weight with 6 champions despite having one-sixth the population of America.

Why does this myth of Eastern European dominance exist when they only have two more world champions than little Britain?

You are limited. And your paradigm is. And so your life.
Unlucky man

[Mammoth]

Tour guy on holiday one time was a 'Apache' this was in the Mediterranean 'Boat tour guide'.

I am neutral with most fighters, since David Haye retired.

Yes Boxing fans are overt, THIS is a very overt place.

Note: This man claimed he was Apache, my mother did not quite believe him.

Lol who knows. Lot of bullshitters out there.

[SuperSuperLeeds]

In the professional ranks eastern Europeans are not dominating.

Maybe it is more so in the amateur ranks?

There is no real clear world demographic which dominates boxing.

Note: People in the west these days, seem to idolize eastern European countries 'It is mostly a man thing, a man crush type behavior'. We have all seen the type of behavior I am talking about 'Men crushing on eastern European culture and women'.

This behavior I am talking about is very low in African American's, Mexicans, Hispanics and Latino's I.E they have not adopted this man crush type behavior.

Because the West has been cucked of its masculinity and must look to another white nation for inspiration and idolatory. The last vestige of white masculinity, normal human behaviour, primal instinct. No woke gay culture

[elfag]

just found out that paulie was fired, that is ***ing ******, he didnt even say anything bad

Haney made actual racist comments and paulie was... commentating on them, because gee thats what you paid him to do, if you dont like that he may introduce his own ideas then give him a ***ing script to read.

All he said was different races/nationalities seemed to rise and fall in terms of dominance throughout boxing history. He said eastern euros are having a revival right now, which is undeniable, look at how many are in the top 10 now compared to any other time in history. You could argue over the degree of which they have taken over and you could argue there are still a lot of good black fighters but showtime shouldnt be such a sensitive ***** if you are going to fire paulie but let haney say whatever he wants.

[boliodogs]

This thread was influenced by the Arum avoids black boxers post, and The Paulie Malignaggi comments that unfairly (in my opinion) led to his dismissal.

The narrative in boxing seems to be that Eastern Europeans now dominate boxing due in no part to fantastic fighters like Lomachenko and Beterbiev; however, in Boxing's 17 weight classes, we currently have 16 black champions of African descent whereas you currently have 8 champions of eastern European descent.

The Dominant nation is still America with 19 champions, and the United Kingdom, a tiny nation continues to punch above its weight with 6 champions despite having one-sixth the population of America.

Why does this myth of Eastern European dominance exist when they only have two more world champions than little Britain?

When comparing the average quality of boxers in different counties you go by the populatin of the country not the land mass. The UK has a population of 63 million so they are not tiny. They have a much higher population than Ukraine with a population of 43 million. Yet Ukraine has Loma who is considered by most as the best boxer in the world and they also have Usyk who was near the top of pound for pound best lists when he was the unified cruiserweight champion. the USA has the most champions but they also have a huge population of 309 million. The USA champions are not all black boxers as some are Mexican or white. mexico has lots of champion but they have a fairly large population of 126 million. the Eastern Europeans don't dominate boxing and neither do blacks or Mexicans. with excellent champions GGG, Loma, Beterbiev, Bivol and contender Usyk it is obvious Eastern European boxers are doing pretty damn good. Then there is Japan's Inoue who is such a great fighter.

[richardt]

Nah, this idea of Eastern European 'dominance' is just kinda wrong, what we've actually seen is more of a balancing out following the re-introduction of professional sports to a big chunk of the world that couldn't compete in pro boxing for many years.

What it's shown us is that boxing talent - or at least the potential for being a great boxer - ain't really got anything to do with ****** chit like 'race' or even political boundaries.

Me, I welcome it. The more diversity and the more nationalities involved in the sport the better. For me boxing's the perfect equaliser which shows time and again that human greatness, human will, determination and talent doesn't see colour or nationality or any of the other limitations that we humans create to divide ourselves.

Excellent post! I look at skills and character and if a fighter is humble in some way or brash in a likable way that draws me into pulling for them, absolutely nothing to do with ethnicity or where the fighter is from or their color. Sadly, these boards have a number of biased people who flaunt their bias. It's one thing to be a little biased, it's another thing when people who are biased hate on other fighters who don't fit their color or nationality.

[boliodogs]

Lol

Both are full of ****tt.

Latinos dominate boxing canelo is number one and the biggest star in boxing.

And with guys like Vergil Ortiz and Ryan Garcia those two will more than likely be at the top of the p4p list and biggest attractions.

All those euro names you named no one out side of boxing knows them nor can pronounce there names so don’t know where that’s coming from lol

From your past posts and threads you have an extreme hate for Eastern European fighters labeling them all as commies and stiff Eurobums. You also have an extreme love of Mexican boxers and overrate the hell out of them. many ranking places don't have Canelo number one and rate Loma above him.Garcia and Ortiz are just good prospects and NOT EVEN CHAMPION YET. But you have turned them into future huge stars and top pfp fighters.You need to stick to things as they are now not what you want them to be. Garcia and Ortiz might never make it.
meanwhile GGG, Loma,Beterbiev, Bivol and Usyk are well proven excellent champions and you really hate that. What in the hell difference does it make that people outside of boxing don't know these good champions and can't spell their names??? This discussion is supposed to be about how good these boxers actually are in the ring and not about how popular or well known they are by non boxing fans FFS!

[BirdSong]

The narrative in boxing seems to be that Eastern Europeans now dominate boxing

What exactly is eastern europe? Do u mean russia and ukraine? Because's that's all i see really.

And russian's probably don't even see themselves as european. So id say eastern euros is just a term coined by people for their own reasons. It's not like there is a whole load of EE's on here boasting that some boxers in ukraine are pretty good.

[kafkod]

When comparing the average quality of boxers in different counties you go by the populatin of the country not the land mass. The UK has a population of 63 million so they are not tiny. They have a much higher population than Ukraine with a population of 43 million. Yet Ukraine has Loma who is considered by most as the best boxer in the world and they also have Usyk who was near the top of pound for pound best lists when he was the unified cruiserweight champion. the USA has the most champions but they also have a huge population of 309 million. The USA champions are not all black boxers as some are Mexican or white. mexico has lots of champion but they have a fairly large population of 126 million. the Eastern Europeans don't dominate boxing and neither do blacks or Mexicans. with excellent champions GGG, Loma, Beterbiev, Bivol and contender Usyk it is obvious Eastern European boxers are doing pretty damn good. Then there is Japan's Inoue who is such a great fighter.

If you are going to compare UK and Ukraine ... UK has way more world champions and top 10 contenders per capita than Ukraine. It's not even close!

UK also has the consensus 2 best HWs in the world with all 4 HW title belts, plus the Ring and lineal titles, held by Brits.