Comments Thread For: Arum: Ali Was Derided Early On Because He Talked So Much, Teofimo Cut From Same Cloth

[Boricua181]

Boricua181

I appreciate Arum bring boxing back on a regular basis during the pandemic. Comparing Lopez to Ali, is an affront to the great Muhammad Ali. Ali had more humor, and poetry, in his trash talking than anything else. With the exception of his disgraceful remarks about Joe Frazier, it was entertaining. Even some of his opponents found his trash talking amusing. Ali was a gift to boxing, he could talk, was quick witted, could fight, and advocated for righteous causes. Arum has been known to talk out of the other end of his body in the past, and this is one of those situations. Lopez should never be uttered in the same conversation as Ali unless it's to point out the enormous difference between the two.

[CmdrSoCal]

Ali was a POS everyday of his life. America hating white hating islamo ******* trash. Ali was what *** is today back in the day. The POS even helped the islamists murder Malcom X a real civil rights hero. Ali died a sufi-luciferian ******. That would suck to be compared to Ali as a person.

[Boricua181]

I agee with you about Ali compared to Lopez trash talk. Ali was well spoken, articulate, poetic and funny. The thing I disagee with though is that you say Ali didn't turn people off. I don't know if you're aware or not but when Ali hit the pro scene, most people despised his antics, bravado and trash talk. Of course it was the bulk of the white status quo who were jealous and angry that a confident black man was getting air time but nonetheless, he was mostly treated with scorn in the 60's. It wasn't until the 70's that he gained more universal acceptence and appreciation. Even a lot of black people in the 60's didn't like him. They thought he was setting them back as a race by angering the white controlling class. It's pathetic to think about but that's the way it was.
There are still a lot of racists out there nowadays who still don't like seeing a confident black man, they just get called on it if they make comments confirming their racism.

That's absolutely right they called Ali all kinds of names, and couldn't wait to see him get beat. The boxing world hadn't experienced anything like Ali before, he could speak for himself from the very start. He didn't have to rely on his manager to put words in his mouth. He didn't have book smarts, but he had incredible intelligence when it came to common sense. That's because he was a decent human being through, and through. I real felt bad that Ali couldn't enjoy life after retirement due to his Parkinson's disease. After all of his fight in, and out of the ring he deserved to enjoy his life in retirement. I can't say enough about this great man there were those hated him, but there were more that loved him, and would die for him. You didn't have to know him personally which many didn't, you just needed to know of him as many did, that was enough. Ali was the Zen of boxing, to see him move, shuffle, dip, duck, and dodge, counter, jab, and flurry was poetry in motion.

[ArturoBalboa]

I agee with you about Ali compared to Lopez trash talk. Ali was well spoken, articulate, poetic and funny. The thing I disagee with though is that you say Ali didn't turn people off. I don't know if you're aware or not but when Ali hit the pro scene, most people despised his antics, bravado and trash talk. Of course it was the bulk of the white status quo who were jealous and angry that a confident black man was getting air time but nonetheless, he was mostly treated with scorn in the 60's. It wasn't until the 70's that he gained more universal acceptence and appreciation. Even a lot of black people in the 60's didn't like him. They thought he was setting them back as a race by angering the white controlling class. It's pathetic to think about but that's the way it was.
There are still a lot of racists out there nowadays who still don't like seeing a confident black man, they just get called on it if they make comments confirming their racism.

It’s a lot more complex than racists just not liking a confident black man.
There’s a lot to admire about Ali in and out of the ring but like most people at different times in their life his views shifted, radicalised and then softened, and some of his views were abhorrent and should be open to criticism without calling racism.
Him referring to Frazier as an Uncle Tom was well out of order and during the late 60’s and early 70’s he was quite radical in his segregationist views. He didn’t believe in races mixing at all and was vehemently opposed to interacial relationships, views held by the governor of Alabama at the time, the ku klux klan and former leader of the BNP party, wonky eyed, fat racist haemorrhoid nick griffin. Not good company.
As I said, there’s a lot to respect and admire about Ali.
His stance on racial segregation shifted as he got older and he chose to speak out about civil rights with a more harmonious outcome. He’s undoubtedly an important figure in the civil rights movement and I admire his stance on Vietnam.
I’m not saying there wasn’t an element of racism and some people who were turned off by Ali because he was a confident black man but also some of his views were way off and I’d be critical of someone with those views whichever race they were.

[Verus]

I agree, Ali was despised by many at the beginning for being “uppity” but he soon gathered a huge following. He was later vilified by those who supported the Vietnam war. Despite these detractors he was a favorite here and around the world.

[mlac]

Bob clearly blazed out of his mind

yes, lets make a comparison between the GOAT, who was arguiably the most charismatic boxers and people of the 20th century...to some prospect whos idea of being charasmatic is doing video game dances and crying because he has daddy issues?

[garfios]

Can you imagine if this kid gets beat up real bad?

[Rick Taylor]

False equivalency fallacy, Bob.

Cassius Clay NEVER said he'd refuse to fight tall fighters.

Cassius Clay didn't cry in the car. Not even when the government tried to force him to fight in Korea and sent him to jail over it.

So

you mean vietnam

[ShoulderRoll]

If you're going to talk then you have to back it up. Plain and simple.

Otherwise you look like a fool.

[Eff Pandas]

If Ali had done the Fortnite dance he would have rightly been despised.

If Ali was around today you'd probably despise him then. Times have changed.

If Ali was around today he'd have a huge tiktok following of fanboys, haters & casuals too.