Lomachenko is another HBO hypejob (Krusher, GGG, Gonzalez)

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  • Rick Taylor
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    #61
    Originally posted by Eff Pandas
    Only a boxing fan would suggest a guy who's been #1 in 3 divisions could get "exposed". Not a 3 weight belt holder. The #1 guy in 3 weight divisions. Big difference between those two things.

    Loma can certainly lose a fight. Hell he lost one already. The man can fooking fight doe & win or lose vs Teo has already proven himself among the best of his era. If Loma loses he's still a bad mfer. The main thing that changed is Teo has "exposed" us to how high level he is too.
    you keep pushing this lie.

    bumachenko ducked EVERY major fighter at superfeather


    let alone all the other ducking

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      #62
      Originally posted by BoxingIsGreat
      No, I'm not ignoring resume, but I'm also not ignoring overrating. I don't consider Linares, Campbell, or Crolla a good competition. Maybe to some of you they are greats.

      Who thinks Nakatani is anything compared to Loma and his hype. Who even knows Nakatani aside from hardcores? Loma has no era with career defining fights.

      Gary Russell is his best win. That's not a bad win.
      Lomachenko made four guys QUIT in a row. Not even Sugar Ray Leonard could manage it.

      Lomachenko beat Rigondeaux who even Floyd considered #1 P4P at the time. Made him quit on the stool.

      Nick Walters was widely expected to KO Loma. Made to quit so bad he was in a hurry to run across the ring and hug him for making him quit.


      Now, you can dismiss the wins all you care to. Doesn't change the fact that even Walters alone craps all over Lopez's resume.

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      • BoxingIsGreat
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        #63
        Originally posted by revelated
        Lomachenko made four guys QUIT in a row. Not even Sugar Ray Leonard could manage it.

        Lomachenko beat Rigondeaux who even Floyd considered #1 P4P at the time. Made him quit on the stool.

        Nick Walters was widely expected to KO Loma. Made to quit so bad he was in a hurry to run across the ring and hug him for making him quit.


        Now, you can dismiss the wins all you care to. Doesn't change the fact that even Walters alone craps all over Lopez's resume.
        None of those are my people. Rigo was half Loma's size. Walters is a gutless one hit quitter whose only claim was beating Donaire (average at best). Again, I never cared for those.

        I'm back to Russell, a close fight where Loma was knocked down, and no thanks to the ref, it wasn't called. His best win so far. Loma has ways to go.

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          #64
          Originally posted by Jimmy 23
          You can be exposed or be overrated on any level.Loma is a candidate for top ten in boxing history according to a lot of boxing fans . But Teo will show us Loma is not. Good fighter but not that great like people saying.
          When you consider Robinson was stopped by Maxim. Armstrong was stopped by Zivic. Arguello was stopped by Pryor. Charles was stopped by Walcott. Whitaker was beat by Trinidad. Mayweather was beat by Maidana.


          Then Lomachenko losing to Lopez really isn't a big deal. Historically speaking, Featherweights aren't supposed to compete well against Lightweights. But Lomachenko is the first in 120 years (since McGovern) to defy that maxim.


          I highly doubt he loses to Lopez. I doubt he has any scares, either. I think he almost certainly wins by wide UD. A stoppage of Lopez certainly isn't out of the question. I'm not saying it's impossible for Lopez to win - even violently, i'm saying it's improbable. And even if happens. It's very likely Lomachenko makes the connections necessary to win any return matches.

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            #65
            Originally posted by bluebeam
            Best of his era based off what?

            Who has he beat thats makes him among the best of this era?

            3 divison champion aint that big of a deal when broner won titles in 4 different weight classes and nobody considers him amongst the best of the era
            Was Broner #1 in any division? If he was I'm sure he wasn't #1 in two. Titles mean nothing today. Or maybe not nothing, but all they mean to me for sure is that you are a top ten guy. I wouldn't call a guy who's won 4 belts, but was only #1 in 1 division among the best of his era.

            As to Loma being among the best of his era, show me all the guys 32yrs & under who've been #1 in 3 divisions? It's not a long list is it?

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              #66
              Originally posted by BoxingIsGreat
              None of those are my people. Rigo was half Loma's size. Walters is a gutless one hit quitter whose only claim was beating Donaire (average at best). Again, I never cared for those.

              I'm back to Russell, a close fight where Loma was knocked down, and no thanks to the ref, it wasn't called. His best win so far. Loma has ways to go.
              - -U regressing to U BigBoy trainers again?

              Gary Russet Jr?

              What grade U in?

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              • BoxingIsGreat
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                #67
                Originally posted by QueensburyRules
                - -U regressing to U BigBoy trainers again?

                Gary Russet Jr?

                What grade U in?
                You are the biggest NSB village idiot. Be quiet.

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by Eff Pandas
                  Titles mean nothing today. Or maybe not nothing, but all they mean to me for sure is that you are a top ten guy. I wouldn't call a guy who's won 4 belts, but was only #1 in 1 division among the best of his era.

                  As to Loma being among the best of his era, show me all the guys 32yrs & under who've been #1 in 3 divisions? It's not a long list is it?

                  Here's a stat I haven't seen mentioned in a while....
                  Vasily Lomachenko has had only 15 fights in his professional career. 14 out of 15 of those pro fights have been Title fights. Mind blowing when ya think about it.
                  Loma is among the best of his era for more than traditional reasons. The historical manner in which he rose to the top will probably never be repeated. Outside of ONE fight, all his fights have been world title fights. Win or lose on Saturday, that cannot be minimized.
                  If Lopez wins, he deserves to be revered and crowned king of the division. Although I have 50,000 e-points for anybody willing to pick against Loma.

                  Or in the spirit of Eff Pandas, my 50K against somebody else's 25K !

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by daggum
                    uhh floyd clearly ducked some great fights. i havent seen loma duck any great fights yet.
                    The only legit fight Floyd didn't take was due to a business situation & that was Margarito. And if he'd have taken that fight & won he'd never have gotten the big fights that boosted his name cuz he woulda had to forgo a buyout option with TR at a key time.

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by BoxingIsGreat
                      The big difference between Floyd and Loma is: I wouldn't have a single difficulty throwing out there more than 7 or 8 names without thinking if a critic asked me: What's Floyd's career defining fight? I can't even stop at 8.
                      Who did either avoid?

                      I'd argue no one. If anyone got avoided it was business or about other side of the street complications. And that's all one can do & if you are #1 in every division while doing that they are a bad mfer.

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