Boxers who are arguably unbeaten?

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    #11
    Originally posted by jjscruff
    fury. lost to mcdermott and had that fight called off for the bad cut
    Read the thread title dumbazz

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    • deathofaclown
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      #12
      I personally thought Liam Smith beat Williams in the rematch. It was competitive but Williams didn’t do enough in my opinion.

      GGG. The majority felt his draw and loss on his record were wins. But then some thought he was fortunate v Derevyanchenko. Either way, there’s a case to be made for him being undefeated.

      Jermell Charlo? I thought he beat Harrison in the first fight. I actually think the brothers decisions were the wrong way around that night and the other brother actually lost to Korobov.

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        #13
        Originally posted by deathofaclown
        I personally thought Liam Smith beat Williams in the rematch. It was competitive but Williams didn’t do enough in my opinion.

        GGG. The majority felt his draw and loss on his record were wins. But then some thought he was fortunate v Derevyanchenko. Either way, there’s a case to be made for him being undefeated.

        Jermell Charlo? I thought he beat Harrison in the first fight. I actually think the brothers decisions were the wrong way around that night and the other brother actually lost to Korobov.
        it was much closer than the first fight but the BT commentary was shocking in that fight, completely pro smith for some strange reason, Barry Jones is usually decent. i had Williams in a close but clear winner tbf. maybe my hatred of Beefy smith and his punchable face / having dough on Williams in that fight clouded my judgement somewhat?

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          #14
          Originally posted by mlac
          it was much closer than the first fight but the BT commentary was shocking in that fight, completely pro smith for some strange reason, Barry Jones is usually decent. i had Williams in a close but clear winner tbf. maybe my hatred of Beefy smith and his punchable face / having dough on Williams in that fight clouded my judgement somewhat?
          Haha he does have a punchable face. Id probably have to watch the fight back again to see if it was closer than I thought, but my impression is that the time was that Smith edged it.

          Either way it’s not the worst loss in the world, I think Smith is a very decent fighter and I think Williams looks much better at 160.

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            #15
            Originally posted by Mammoth
            I could see GGG's L being a W and his draw for sure was a win. The Jacobs and Derevyanchenko fights could both be L's.
            - the KD's you might have a point, i think its a bit of a stretch to claim both CLEARLY won 7-8 rounds.

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              #16
              Originally posted by mlac
              IMO:

              Liam Williams - was clearly beating Smith until he got headbutted deliberately by Smith who was bizarrely given the TKO win. Williams won the 2nd fight too imo.

              Gennady Golovkin - has been in several close fights with Jacobs, Derev & the 2nd Canelo fight but i had him winning the first two by 7-5 & the 2nd canelo fight is so close a 7-5 for either man or a rare case of a draw being perfect.

              Jose Zepeda - Dislocated his shoulder agaisnt Turbo Tel, should of been a NC & i had him beating Ramirez 7-5

              any others?
              williams quit in first fight and clearly lost 2nd and a wanted him to be Smith in both

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                #17
                Originally posted by mlac
                - the KD's you might have a point, i think its a bit of a stretch to claim both CLEARLY won 7-8 rounds.
                Yep. Agree on that as well. I didn't have him losing both fights but both were controversial.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by mlac
                  IMO:

                  Liam Williams - was clearly beating Smith until he got headbutted deliberately by Smith who was bizarrely given the TKO win. Williams won the 2nd fight too imo.

                  Gennady Golovkin - has been in several close fights with Jacobs, Derev & the 2nd Canelo fight but i had him winning the first two by 7-5 & the 2nd canelo fight is so close a 7-5 for either man or a rare case of a draw being perfect.

                  Jose Zepeda - Dislocated his shoulder agaisnt Turbo Tel, should of been a NC & i had him beating Ramirez 7-5

                  any others?
                  I consider GGG an unbeaten boxer. I had he a close but clear winner over Canelo both fights, a clear winner over Jacobs by a few points and a very close winner over Dervy who came the closest to beating him on my score card. A draw would with Dervy would have been OK with me but I had GGG winning a very close fight.

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                    #19
                    I had Jermell Charlo winning every fight he had including his official loss. He got robbed in that fight in my opinion and won at least 8 rounds. He landed more and harder punches in most rounds.

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                      #20
                      Vitali Klitschko was unbeaten, In my opinion.

                      I know he technically lost, but he was never 'losing' at a fights conclusion.

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