Comments Thread For: Jermall Charlo-Sergiy Derevyanchenko - Official Scorecards

[SplitSecond]

Best fight I've watched since Fury vs Wilder II and my prediction came as I thought it was gonna be except that Jermall did not stop Derevianchenko.

Jermall is a very strong guy with a great chin, I'm totally on the hype train now,like I've said "styles makes fights", giving what happens tonight I'm not sure he beats GGG, Canelo or Andrade but I'm 100% sure he gives those guys a very difficult fight.

The guy has power, is very poised, has a chin, has a solid defense, and knows how to box, that's a complete fighter in my eyes, hoping to watch him again on the near future.

How do you know he has a chin? He’s never fought a puncher. Or has he?

[Fire4231]

Bernard Hopkins was saying that Golovkin has been on the decline since the Kell Brooks fight.

Bernard is only one perspective. In addition he has been very flawed in review of his own decline.

Didn’t B-Hop say a white boy would never beat him. Wasn’t he launched through the ropes by Joe Smith.

According to him he hadn’t declined at all. But now you are leaning on him to determine GGG’s decline?

There is a hard problem to contend with in what I wrote initially. Simply saying another boxer says it’s so, does fix the optics of GGG looking revitalized when challenging the same level of lesser fighter he built his reputation on. It also doesn’t explain why every time he stepped up he looked very human.

[TonyGe]

Bernard is only one perspective. In addition he has been very flawed in review of his own decline.

Didn’t B-Hop say a white boy would never beat him. Wasn’t he launched through the ropes by Joe Smith.

According to him he hadn’t declined at all. But now you are leaning on him to determine GGG’s decline?

There is a hard problem to contend with in what I wrote initially. Simply saying another boxer says it’s so, does fix the optics of GGG looking revitalized when challenging the same level of lesser fighter he built his reputation on. It also doesn’t explain why every time he stepped up he looked very human.

Hey when Leonard stepped up and fought Duran he looked extremely human in his loss. Leonard looked human in his fight with Hearns and in the second fight with Hearns I thought he lost. Ali struggled with Ken Norton.. Very few fighters completely dominated other top fighters in their era. Lewis got knocked out twice. Add in Golovkin's age and his decline I think he's done very well for himself. As far as Hopkins is concerned most elite boxers don't see their decline when it's obvious to other boxers. He can be objective about other boxers but not himself. Self doubt is foreign to most fighters at a world class level.

[Fire4231]

Hey when Leonard stepped up and fought Duran he looked extremely human in his loss. Leonard looked human in his fight with Hearns and in the second fight with Hearns I thought he lost. Ali struggled with Ken Norton.. Very few fighters completely dominated other top fighters in their era. Lewis got knocked out twice. Add in Golovkin's age and his decline I think he's done very well for himself. As far as Hopkins is concerned most elite boxers don't see their decline when it's obvious to other boxers. He can be objective about other boxers but not himself. Self doubt is foreign to most fighters at a world class level.

Lol... We are talking about a guy they rated Top 24 in the past 25 years. At the time his signature wins were Lemieux, Proksa and Stevens?

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/...oxers-25-years

Ray Leonard made Duran quit in the second fight. He knocked out undefeated Hearns in the first fight. He knocked out Floyd Mayweather Sr. He knocked out Wilfred Benevidez. We call that separation with out judge interference. Are you really comparing that to GGG?

GGG’s signature fight against Jacobs should have went the other way. His first fight against Canelo was sliver close (rightfully a draw). Second fight he clearly loses to Canelo. He receives another gift against Derevychenko. All the while he has ducked Jermall Charlo, Sanders, Andrade, Lara and anyone his size who can box with a chin.

Man if you don’t stop. Then we hear he is slipping and he steam rolls the likes of Steve Rolls and a Rusty and undersized Vanes Matirosyan in the exact way he steamed Willie Monroe Jr. And Stephens in his supposed prime. These folks happen to be the same level of competition he had been beating the whole time.

Tired of hearing guys aged before the big fights. At least tell us after so it’s believable.

That’s the hard problem You guys can’t explain, not to disqualify him from being a Rightful champion. But to be qualified as one of the best who did it in the past 25 years. Ranked above Terry Norris? GTFOH. GGG was good but not what y’all are claiming him to be. He has to do more to prove that.

[SplitSecond]

Lol... We are talking about a guy they rated Top 24 in the past 25 years. At the time his signature wins were Lemieux, Proksa and Stevens?

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/...oxers-25-years

Ray Leonard made Duran quit in the second fight. He knocked out undefeated Hearns in the first fight. He knocked out Floyd Mayweather Sr. He knocked out Wilfred Benevidez. We call that separation with out judge interference. Are you really comparing that to GGG?

GGG’s signature fight against Jacobs should have went the other way. His first fight against Canelo was sliver close (rightfully a draw). Second fight he clearly loses to Canelo. He receives another gift against Derevychenko. All the while he has ducked Jermall Charlo, Sanders, Andrade, Lara and anyone his size who can box with a chin.

Man if you don’t stop. Then we here he is slipping and he steam rolls the likes of Steve Rolls and a Rusty and undersized Vanes Matirosyan in the exact way he steamed Willie Monroe Jr. And Stephens in his supposed prime. These folks happen to be the same level of competition he had been beating the whole time.

Tired of hearing guys aged before the big fights. At least tell us after so it’s believable.

That’s the hard problem You guys can’t explain, not to disqualify him from being a Rightful champion. But to be qualified as one of the best who did it in the past 25 years. Ranked above Terry Norris? GTFOH. GGG was good but not what y’all are claiming him to be. He has to do more to prove that.

Why do dipsticks leave out Murray? The guy that lost controversial decisions to Martinez, Sturm? The guy that went up in weight and fought Groves and Abraham to a SD and he’s only ever been dominated and stopped once in his life. Vs Golovkin.

Stevens, Lemiuex? You’re purposely trying to act ******?

Like the guy said. Top prime fighter’s rarely dominate each other. Golovkin beating an elite Canelo, in his prime, at 35, is a testament to his skills. Danny Jacobs is 33 (today), Canelo is 30 (today), Golovkin is 38. Mayweather was not beating any elite prime fighters, and we saw the trouble he had with Maidana. The young guys are always much more energetic and hungry, you’d know this just sparring in the gym vs kids. They are tenacious little shts.

[TonyGe]

Lol... We are talking about a guy they rated Top 24 in the past 25 years. At the time his signature wins were Lemieux, Proksa and Stevens?

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/...oxers-25-years

Ray Leonard made Duran quit in the second fight. He knocked out undefeated Hearns in the first fight. He knocked out Floyd Mayweather Sr. He knocked out Wilfred Benevidez. We call that separation with out judge interference. Are you really comparing that to GGG?

GGG’s signature fight against Jacobs should have went the other way. His first fight against Canelo was sliver close (rightfully a draw). Second fight he clearly loses to Canelo. He receives another gift against Derevychenko. All the while he has ducked Jermall Charlo, Sanders, Andrade, Lara and anyone his size who can box with a chin.

Man if you don’t stop. Then we hear he is slipping and he steam rolls the likes of Steve Rolls and a Rusty and undersized Vanes Matirosyan in the exact way he steamed Willie Monroe Jr. And Stephens in his supposed prime. These folks happen to be the same level of competition he had been beating the whole time.

Tired of hearing guys aged before the big fights. At least tell us after so it’s believable.

That’s the hard problem You guys can’t explain, not to disqualify him from being a Rightful champion. But to be qualified as one of the best who did it in the past 25 years. Ranked above Terry Norris? GTFOH. GGG was good but not what y’all are claiming him to be. He has to do more to prove that.

I had Golovkin beating Jacobs in a very good fight. I had him beating Canelo clearly by four rounds and winning the rematch in a close fight. He lost to Derevanchenko. Is he one of the best in the last 25 years. Yeah I think so. He would beat Martinez and Taylor. Hopkins would be interesting and no way he would beat Jones.

[Boxing-1013]

So all 3 judges had it 8-1!!!! after 9. I'm sorry but that is insane to me.

[Fire4231]

Lol... so you jump your dumb @$$ in and ignore all my points. Didn’t answer one? But then you take me on Martin Murray Boondoggle? You are desperate... Martin ****in Murray? WTF you must be a UK guy. Let’s go!!

Why do dipsticks leave out Murray?

Because who the **** is Martin Murray? Fun fighter, but he lost every significant step up fight he was in. Tough as nails with legs like a snail and when he stepped he was always a tough win for the other guy. All though admirable not exactly a Hall of Fame Career. Why cause he still ****ing lost.

The guy that lost controversial decisions to Martinez, Sturm? So what...Martinez beat him clean and his knees were beginning to fail at that time. So what he got knocked down in the fight. Martinez very next fight was the lost to Cotto. Sturm had a draw so what, besides getting robbed by an underprepared coke addicted Delahoya what was his claim to fame?

The guy that went up in weight and fought Groves and Abraham to a SD and he’s only ever been dominated and stopped once in his life. Vs Golovkin.

Stevens, Lemiuex? You’re purposely trying to act ******? No reverse psychology here bro you don’t have anything to say about two slightly above average fighters. Who did either beat at the top of the division? You can say there names backward and it wouldn’t indicate GGG beat any world class competition.

Abraham and Groves beat him. And when he fought Abraham he lost and Abraham had already been destroyed by the entire Super 6. Yes Golovkin got the stoppage in a ring the size of a McDonalds rest room. Even then it almost went a full eleven rounds and Murray strategy appeared to be hang out on the ropes and hide in the corner?

Like the guy said. Top prime fighter’s rarely dominate each other. That’s my point when you going to get to the Top Prime Fighters? The ones he mentioned do. And they are fighting much better guys than GGG and not getting gift decisions from the judges.

Golovkin beating an elite Canelo, in his prime, at 35, is a testament to his skills.I believe you have confused yourself captain ignorance, first off GGG has never beaten Canelo? Show me this on Boxing Rec. Danny Jacobs is 33 (today), Canelo is 30 (today), Golovkin is 38. My gosh, this is getting worst and worst. You are being lead right into a trap by your own biased blind spots.

Mayweather was not beating any elite prime fighters, and we saw the trouble he had with Maidana. The young guys are always much more energetic and hungry, you’d know this just sparring in the gym vs kids. They are tenacious little shts.

So as you try to make the case that GGG was old when he fought Danny Jacobs at 34 and Canelo at 36 yet you say Floyd never fought anyone young energetic an prime as he got older. However Floyd beat the brakes off of the same Canelo at age 36? And it wasn’t even close? Man are you tracking as you write? An GGG couldn’t even beat Canelo? Man this is too easy.

Now for making me dissect this nonsense biased fantasy address my points or get lost and stop waisting people’s time.

[SplitSecond]

Lol... so you jump your dumb @$$ in and ignore all my points. Didn’t answer one? But then you take me on Martin Murray Boondoggle? You are desperate... Martin ****in Murray? WTF you must be a UK guy. Let’s go!!



Now for making me dissect this nonsense biased fantasy address my points or get lost and stop waisting people’s time.

Too much, skimmed. You don’t seem to see the significance of a controversial decision. Too thick, I guess. And Beating a 20 year old who hasn’t fought anyone isn’t beating a prime guy. Especially if he’s drained, it removes the only strength of being young doesn’t it? Which is energy levels.

This definitely is a waste of time.

[Fire4231]

Bro you guys are killing me...

I had Golovkin beating Jacobs in a very good fight. Had Jacobs beating him by one round. As stated good fight for a good fighter but too 25?

I had him beating Canelo clearly by four rounds and winning the rematch in a close fight Draw first fight and they got it right second fight Canelo beat him. I counted the rounds as I watched it a second time He lost to Derevanchenko. Absolutely lost to Derevychenko.

Is he one of the best in the last 25 years. Yeah I think so.


1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Manny Pacquiao
3.Bernard Hopkins
4.Roy Jones, Jr.
5.Julio Cesar Chavez.
6.Oscar De La Hoya
7.Evander Holyfield
8.Pernell Whitaker
9. Juan Manuel Marquez
10.Ricardo Lopez
11.Felix Trinidad
12.Lennox Lewis
13.Marco Antonio Barrera
14.Joe Calzaghe
15.Shane Mosley
16.James Toney
17.Andre Ward
18.Erik Morales
19.Wladimir Klitschko
20.Roman Gonzalez
21.Miguel Cotto
22.Naseem Hamed
23.Winky Wright
24.Gennady Golovkin
25.Terry Norris

Don’t tell me who would have won most of y’all can’t call a fight that will happen... Based on resume these guys are so ahead of GGG...

Terry Norris, Diego Corrales, Vitali Klitchko, Carl Froch, Rid**** Bowe, Kostya Tzyu, Ricky Hatton, Rigondeaux, Donaire, Inoue, Fernando Vargas, Ike Quartey, Vernon Forrest, Antonio Tarver, Sergey Kovalev, , Vinny Paz, Tim Bradley, Chad Dawson...

Thats off the cuff and not factoring in active boxers, disgraced fighters like Margarito or fighters who have not shown legacy yet. How the hell is he #25 when his most significant wins are two robberies and an already KO’d David Lemieux?

He would beat Martinez and Taylor. Guess we will never know because they filled his schedule with the likes of Steve Rolls? Hopkins would be interesting and no way he would beat Jones. I would put my money on any top/slick boxer with foot movement and enough power to beat him. Prime Hopkins would destroy him. It wouldn’t be close. GGG deserves no more importance than Arthur Abraham.