Showtime wants to sign Canelo

[2ndroundko]

2ndroundko but do you really see showtime or anybody else paying Canelo $35 million?

He doesn’t generate any profit at all without a marquee name dance partner. Got to be ****** to pay Canelo that $$$ or anybody in the current state of boxing at the moment.

Did Canelo-Kovalev last year make over $45 million? Even with a live gate no way that fight made $$$ especially if there was a UFC ppv that took over the night. Maybe I’m wrong but I just don’t see it, there’s no fighter he can fight that a network profits off

they dont have to pay him that much to get him is my point. dazn isnt giving him that much. if showtime can give him a $20-25m guarantee (which is more than what dazn is offering him), that’s good enough because he still has ppv upside.

[PRchamp]

they dont have to pay him that much to get him is my point. dazn isnt giving him that much. if showtime can give him a $20-25m guarantee (which is more than what dazn is offering him), that’s good enough because he still has ppv upside.

Who can he fight that can be PPV worthy to make it profitable?

Charlo??

Beterbiev??

Plant??

Benevitez??

Bivol??

Those are the only fights i really want to see Canelo in and if even if those fights happen none of those fighters have a following and those PPV numbers are going to be weak.

Canelo better fight one of those fighters in 2021 but another roadblock is if showtime can pay his opponents decent purse as well.

[moochi]

Canelo doesn't generate money, he is probably worthy of a $10m guarantee plus bonuses (meaning - if they make money, then he gets a share).

DAZN overpaid Canelo as a lossleader - to lose money on him and aim to recoup it elsewhere, which didn't happen.

The money you are getting paid MORE than what you are earning your business partner (DAZN or anybody else for that matter), then you are risky and a problem to them.

The best yardstick of somebody's worth is how much they can generate against an unknown fighter - so look at how much Canelo generated against Liam Smith, Rocky Fielding, etc.. that will tell the story, and that story is around $10m.

AJ for example - he get's paid what he generates. Even the massive amount from Saudi Arabia, that is money paid upfront for his services, and to be honest, that's the best position to be in. That is where Mayweather went independent and proved his worth.

I suppose part of Canelo's reason for not being a bigger superstar is that he has had so many fights where he should have lost and or was set up to win (e.g. fighting an old Kovalev who was nearly killed by an unknown only 8 weeks earlier).

Canelo kinda reminds me a bit of the German stars back in the 2000s and early 2010s.... massive home fanbase but never went bigger due to winning decisions without looking the goods and never really making a statement.

[2ndroundko]

Who can he fight that can be PPV worthy to make it profitable?

Charlo??

Beterbiev??

Plant??

Benevitez??

Bivol??

Those are the only fights i really want to see Canelo in and if even if those fights happen none of those fighters have a following and those PPV numbers are going to be weak.

Canelo better fight one of those fighters in 2021 but another roadblock is if showtime can pay his opponents decent purse as well.

you just listed a whole bunch of fights so there you have it. and all can be made into ppvs. a couple of those names are huge ppvs if done right. i dont agree that they would flop on ppv at all. at all. plant is a big ppv fight. so is benavidez and charlo. you can also build up a beterbiev. dazn didnt have that ability to reach the american public. it would be far different having a big us network in play.

[kidbazooka]

Canelo doesn't generate money, he is probably worthy of a $10m guarantee plus bonuses (meaning - if they make money, then he gets a share).

DAZN overpaid Canelo as a lossleader - to lose money on him and aim to recoup it elsewhere, which didn't happen.

The money you are getting paid MORE than what you are earning your business partner (DAZN or anybody else for that matter), then you are risky and a problem to them.

The best yardstick of somebody's worth is how much they can generate against an unknown fighter - so look at how much Canelo generated against Liam Smith, Rocky Fielding, etc.. that will tell the story, and that story is around $10m.

AJ for example - he get's paid what he generates. Even the massive amount from Saudi Arabia, that is money paid upfront for his services, and to be honest, that's the best position to be in. That is where Mayweather went independent and proved his worth.

I suppose part of Canelo's reason for not being a bigger superstar is that he has had so many fights where he should have lost and or was set up to win (e.g. fighting an old Kovalev who was nearly killed by an unknown only 8 weeks earlier).

Canelo kinda reminds me a bit of the German stars back in the 2000s and early 2010s.... massive home fanbase but never went bigger due to winning decisions without looking the goods and never really making a statement.

Hahahahaha

New levels of hating smh

Don’t forget Kova was on a coke bing and was 8 months pregnant.

And ggg was nearly 48 in the rematch

But Lomas win over little Rigo was pure excellence and Rigo was nowhere near 36 and moving up he was more like 26 and a natural lightweight.

Funny tho cuz the exact things these goofy ass haters are saying ppl use to say it about Floyd but not when he was in his late 20’s but in his early mid 30’s so Canelo is right on track to keep the haters talking for years to come. lol

[paulf]

Canelo doesn't generate money, he is probably worthy of a $10m guarantee plus bonuses (meaning - if they make money, then he gets a share).

DAZN overpaid Canelo as a lossleader - to lose money on him and aim to recoup it elsewhere, which didn't happen.

The money you are getting paid MORE than what you are earning your business partner (DAZN or anybody else for that matter), then you are risky and a problem to them.

The best yardstick of somebody's worth is how much they can generate against an unknown fighter - so look at how much Canelo generated against Liam Smith, Rocky Fielding, etc.. that will tell the story, and that story is around $10m.

AJ for example - he get's paid what he generates. Even the massive amount from Saudi Arabia, that is money paid upfront for his services, and to be honest, that's the best position to be in. That is where Mayweather went independent and proved his worth.

I suppose part of Canelo's reason for not being a bigger superstar is that he has had so many fights where he should have lost and or was set up to win (e.g. fighting an old Kovalev who was nearly killed by an unknown only 8 weeks earlier).

Moving to DAZN definitely stunted his growth and starpower. He's getting paid, but fewer people are seeing him. It's even worse than PPV because DAZN has no linear TV broadcast partner, no 24-7, nothing to get the word out. His fanbase isn't going to grow by a single person unless DAZN as a brand makes some serious headway and soon, and that isn't happening.

Canelo and DAZN is pretty much the same thing as Rocknation and Andre Ward. Signed him as a loss leader expecting to grow their business on him blowing up, but it put them out of the boxing business instead.

[moochi]

Hahahahaha

New levels of hating smh

Don’t forget Kova was on a coke bing and was 8 months pregnant.

And ggg was nearly 48 in the rematch

But Lomas win over little Rigo was pure excellence and Rigo was nowhere near 36 and moving up he was more like 26 and a natural lightweight.

Funny tho cuz the exact things these goofy ass haters are saying ppl use to say it about Floyd but not when he was in his late 20’s but in his early mid 30’s so Canelo is right on track to keep the haters talking for years to come. lol

You are a typical Canelo fan, and not money at all beyond the Mexican American Community (i have heard even in Mexico, they don't all respect him as much as the previous superstars, and because of the results and favourable set ups).

This is not hating, the moment you are talking about MONEY, take the person out of the equation, and look at the statistics, figures and details.

If he can make $100m, then good luck to him.

There is a reason why Jorge Masvidal, Nick Diaz, etc... get paid huge $$$ and it's not anything to do with in-ring results or opinions or nut-huggers, it's with STATISTICS and DETAILS - they can prove their worth, and that is the yardstick.

TBH - having these types of discussions on here are the best, even though this is meant to be a boxing discussion, in which it's all opinion based, talking about such things is much easier as it's NOT opinion based, and FACT based. We all know who and where.

So like I said, from a business sense, it's very easy to know somebody's worthy when you match them against a nobody - nothing better, work out the PPVs, TV Rights, etc....

Why do you think BJS, Callum Smith, etc...went REALLY hard with Canelo? Simple, because they know that DAZN are LOSING money with him, and they are desperate to have a dance partner, so if they are happy to lose $20m or so on him, then why would you help them bridge that cap for a small amount? It's common business sense. How much AM I worth to you?

Reality is, and I've said it before, Canelo is grossly over-rated from the business and reach side, perhaps he still has a few years to work on it, but once again, you don't win cross-over fans when you get gift decisions... I was at the bar when he fought GGG and i can tell you, that every person there (in a neutral country) thought GGG won easily, not just, but they were sure.

[moochi]

Moving to DAZN definitely stunted his growth and starpower. He's getting paid, but fewer people are seeing him. It's even worse than PPV because DAZN has no linear TV broadcast partner, no 24-7, nothing to get the word out. His fanbase isn't going to grow by a single person unless DAZN as a brand makes some serious headway and soon, and that isn't happening.

Canelo and DAZN is pretty much the same thing as Rocknation and Andre Ward. Signed him as a loss leader expecting to grow their business on him blowing up, but it put them out of the boxing business instead.

Not sure it stunted his star power, maybe it actually just showed his level of star power.

From a business perspective, you can't blame him, and maybe he and GBP thought DAZN would just line him up against bums...

He got paid at least DOUBLE what he generates them.... and that then made it very difficult to get opponents, as all of them would know the bleeding happening and why would you go in for the cheap.

I think the business side is the easiest to discuss and debate here, as facts and stats are easy to find and understand.

This is where you have to take your hat off to AJ - he generates above and beyond what he earns, a Promoter's dream, as you don't have to haemorrhage on the hope of getting it elsewhere. Even in the Saudi fight - you have rich people saying "here is $100m", and bring the fight here, that's when you know your worth and global reach.

A contract is a contract, i don't like it if DAZN is trying to screw Canelo, but i suppose we will never see the real details on that - but the mention of him fighting a premium opponent such as Masvidal, Khabib, etc... to many boxing nuthuggers sounds ******, but it it is a wake up call to others that this is business and business only.... where did the Kovalev fight come out of nowhere, well it didn't, they did that out of desperation and obviously 8 weeks out from nearly being KO'd against an unknown englishman, he took his decent $10m pay check to be part of the play.

[kidbazooka]

You are a typical Canelo fan, and not money at all beyond the Mexican American Community (i have heard even in Mexico, they don't all respect him as much as the previous superstars, and because of the results and favourable set ups).

This is not hating, the moment you are talking about MONEY, take the person out of the equation, and look at the statistics, figures and details.

If he can make $100m, then good luck to him.

There is a reason why Jorge Masvidal, Nick Diaz, etc... get paid huge $$$ and it's not anything to do with in-ring results or opinions or nut-huggers, it's with STATISTICS and DETAILS - they can prove their worth, and that is the yardstick.

TBH - having these types of discussions on here are the best, even though this is meant to be a boxing discussion, in which it's all opinion based, talking about such things is much easier as it's NOT opinion based, and FACT based. We all know who and where.

So like I said, from a business sense, it's very easy to know somebody's worthy when you match them against a nobody - nothing better, work out the PPVs, TV Rights, etc....

Why do you think BJS, Callum Smith, etc...went REALLY hard with Canelo? Simple, because they know that DAZN are LOSING money with him, and they are desperate to have a dance partner, so if they are happy to lose $20m or so on him, then why would you help them bridge that cap for a small amount? It's common business sense. How much AM I worth to you?

Reality is, and I've said it before, Canelo is grossly over-rated from the business and reach side, perhaps he still has a few years to work on it, but once again, you don't win cross-over fans when you get gift decisions... I was at the bar when he fought GGG and i can tell you, that every person there (in a neutral country) thought GGG won easily, not just, but they were sure.

Trust me it’s hate but it’s all good you can’t please everyone.

But if you wanna nit pick than we can do that I can say the same thing about Floyd he wasn’t a “real draw” he also needed a big name right cuz last I checked his Ppv with Berto was a complete flop.

See you can do that with a lot of the guys that were the face of the sport over the last two decades.

I assume your reffering to the first ggg fight right but I wouldn’t put too much into bar room idiots opinions on the fight game.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Trust me it’s hate but it’s all good you can’t please everyone.

But if you wanna nit pick than we can do that I can say the same thing about Floyd he wasn’t a “real draw” he also needed a big name right cuz last I checked his Ppv with Berto was a complete flop.

See you can do that with a lot of the guys that were the face of the sport over the last two decades.

I assume your reffering to the first ggg fight right but I wouldn’t put too much into bar room idiots opinions on the fight game.

The “bar” that guy went to was in Hicksville with about 3 people watching the 4:3 small 1987 tele above the bartender while the rest of lot were playing pool. I bet they got confused who GGg and Canelo were at times given them old TV sets.