Comments Thread For: Sergio Martinez Does Not Rule Out De La Hoya Fight, Wants To Win World Title

[lopetego]

LOL thats funny I remember this pic. But listen bro. Have you met Sergio Martinez? I have he's the coolest Mofo ever! Mad humble and down to earth.

So I dont think he'd hold grudges either way to be honest.

He's a cool mofo and all but if he thought Margo cheated he would have called him out

He's not the type to take **** from others. He trash talked Cotto a lot back in the day because of his diva shenanigans

If he doesn't hold grudges against Margo it's because he genuinely thinks he lost fair and square

if anything, he put the blame for that loss on his bad stamina back in the day, he said it in an interview

[edgarg]

Ho Ho Ho Santa is Coming.

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One thing I do appreciate is when someone takes the time to explain their opinion so I’m not going to disrespect you.

Where we part ways is not just the loaded gloves but how your perception is a little off in my opinion.
Mosley was coming off a one sided beating at the hands of Mayweather. The only thing anyone remembers of that fight is the two monster punches that Shane landed. Period.
Mosley was so rattled the whole fight that Naazim Richardson had to make him repeat what he was saying to him.

PAC fighting Mosley was PAC doing his thing of cherry picking. Mosley was pretty much done at that point. Mosley never won a major fight after Floyd. He even had a draw with Sergio Moraa.

Two, Naazim Richardson is probably the most respected figure in boxing, so for you to reduce him to “the old fat guy” is just uncool especially because he just passed away a couple of months ago. Uncalled for, bro.

Margarito, after Mosley was done too. Not because of age. There was something about his wraps regardless of how you play it.

Well, no harm done. You point out a one sided beating from Mayweather... Maybe a one-sided loss, but when did a Mayweather "beating" ever have any effect on a fighter like even an old Mosley. Mayweather had a decided advantage seen by his team beforehand, BEFORE he ever fought any one. (Corrales is a Huge example, and I'm sure you don't know the real story). He had what the boxing writers referred to as a "Brains Trust" which decided the pros and cons and best choices for his next fights.

His REAL fighting took place during his run to beat Gennaro Hernandez. His fight before that was against Canadian ex feather and 130 lb Champ, Tony Pep for goodness sake, 6'2", 34 years old nearly retired.(I knew Tony Pep, we lived near one another then). Most of his other "run-up" were the same. Like his last "fight" against a boxing novice in his first boxing match. He has the CHUTZPAH to claim this on his record. That's his lasting trade-mark "CHUTZPAH"

When he cautiously went up to 135, he got more than he expected from 131 lb Emmanuel Burton(Augustus) who seemed safe, as he had a 22-16 record with few KOs.."Nuff said.

But let's stop discussing Mayweather, as a lover of boxing AS A SPORT, it is distasteful to me. But I had to make those points.

Truth and facts happen to be co-joined in the Margarito story. There was NO plaster of paris, the urban legend is a LIE; you should not be a part of it, and he was legally found NOT GUILTY. But your opinions are your business..

Yes the old fat guy half won that match for Mosley, and yes I know he passed away a few months ago. I have always been surprised he lived so long being so obese, as he had a few big strokes or heart attacks some years ago, but recovered and still continued as a trainer. Good for him, but I wrote "old fat guy" because i couldn't recall his name, and when I did, the description seemed so apt that I left it in. No disrespect was intended and I condoled, with others at his passing.

At the same time, being honest, I do not believe that "he was one of the MOST respected figures on boxing", and again, I mean no disrespect to him. He was overshadowed by many others far more respected and well known. He came into notice only after Bouie Fisher died and he became head trainer to Hopkins. Before that he was an assistant-of which there were hundreds and thousands, equally good or better. He was respected, yes, but many others are/were too, concurrently and past.

I like your posts, generally fair -as YOU see them and couched in non violent language, which is the right and proper way for two intelligent people to discuss, even if adversaries. But "turd"......????? not nice.

I stopped posting on here for many years because of the violent, vicious racial, and passionate streams of DREK that were being disgorged in my direction. I didn't need it, so I walked away. I have just begun posting again a week or two ago, and am indeed happy to be crossing swords with posters like you, whom I can respect, even as we differ.
So let it be so.

[BritishBoxing92]

While I'm glad he got a victory on his return fight I can't honestly say i'm too keen on seeing him get into title bouts again after his last fight before retirement against Cotto...wish him luck though

[edgarg]

of all those whom tried to convince me Margo was not a cheat, you have gone the furthest! Seriously? You outdid yourself here sugar pie. Bravo, BRA-motha-fvccin-VO!!

Margarito will remain the biggest cheater of our generation! Possibly lifetime!

Your blanket statement AGAINST this fully documented proven FACTS says much about you.

Why is it that guys like you, who honestly believe what they are posting, always take their information from others who posted before, who, like you, actually know absolutely NOTHING about the true, verified legal documented happenings and findings...(actually lack of expected findings).

I've read and re-read every single word written about this revolting matter including all the legal documents both from the Commission and the court of enquiry. I say "revolting" because it's a classic case of "giving a dog a bad name"....with absolutely NO proof, because there was NO proof. And Margarito was ABSOLVED..found NOT to be at fault, found that "he did not know anything about the used pad being inserted".. by the authorities.

But, as the Commission said, "as captain of your ship you are responsible". And they passed a penalty of withdrawing his licence for ONE year, which as they specifically mentioned, was the minimum allowed by their rules.

This is the plain fact of the matter, so why do you keep hugging the lie to your heart. Maybe it warms you up to have a grudge and hatred towards an innocent person.I don't know, I am not a psychologist.

We just differ...and I hope...amicably.

[Oregonian]

Well, no harm done. You point out a one sided beating from Mayweather... Maybe a one-sided loss, but when did a Mayweather "beating" ever have any effect on a fighter like even an old Mosley. Mayweather had a decided advantage seen by his team beforehand, BEFORE he ever fought any one. (Corrales is a Huge example, and I'm sure you don't know the real story). He had what the boxing writers referred to as a "Brains Trust" which decided the pros and cons and best choices for his next fights.

His REAL fighting took place during his run to beat Gennaro Hernandez. His fight before that was against Canadian ex feather and 130 lb Champ, Tony Pep for goodness sake, 6'2", 34 years old nearly retired.(I knew Tony Pep, we lived near one another then). Most of his other "run-up" were the same. Like his last "fight" against a boxing novice in his first boxing match. He has the CHUTZPAH to claim this on his record. That's his lasting trade-mark "CHUTZPAH"

When he cautiously went up to 135, he got more than he expected from 131 lb Emmanuel Burton(Augustus) who seemed safe, as he had a 22-16 record with few KOs.."Nuff said.

But let's stop discussing Mayweather, as a lover of boxing AS A SPORT, it is distasteful to me. But I had to make those points.

Truth and facts happen to be co-joined in the Margarito story. There was NO plaster of paris, the urban legend is a LIE; you should not be a part of it, and he was legally found NOT GUILTY. But your opinions are your business..

Yes the old fat guy half won that match for Mosley, and yes I know he passed away a few months ago. I have always been surprised he lived so long being so obese, as he had a few big strokes or heart attacks some years ago, but recovered and still continued as a trainer. Good for him, but I wrote "old fat guy" because i couldn't recall his name, and when I did, the description seemed so apt that I left it in. No disrespect was intended and I condoled, with others at his passing.

At the same time, being honest, I do not believe that "he was one of the MOST respected figures on boxing", and again, I mean no disrespect to him. He was overshadowed by many others far more respected and well known. He came into notice only after Bouie Fisher died and he became head trainer to Hopkins. Before that he was an assistant-of which there were hundreds and thousands, equally good or better. He was respected, yes, but many others are/were too, concurrently and past.

I like your posts, generally fair -as YOU see them and couched in non violent language, which is the right and proper way for two intelligent people to discuss, even if adversaries. But "turd"......????? not nice.

I stopped posting on here for many years because of the violent, vicious racial, and passionate streams of DREK that were being disgorged in my direction. I didn't need it, so I walked away. I have just begun posting again a week or two ago, and am indeed happy to be crossing swords with posters like you, whom I can respect, even as we differ.
So let it be so.

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Fair enough. Let that topic rest.

You touched on Mayweather though and I can’t let that slide. Let the raging debate begin!!!

Just FYI, I’m doing so because I’m inclined to be corrected if wrong. Only with you.

Mayweather had a decided advantage seen by his team beforehand, BEFORE he ever fought any one.

This here 👆 is a loaded statement.

I’ll take away a couple of things I know you’ll try to use.

In 2002 during Mosley and Oscar’s “prime” at 147, Floyd was fighting at 130. Those fights were never going to happen because they were all in different weight zones. So the idea that Floyd “waited” for them to get old is just silly.

I could say the same thing about PAC - why didn’t he fight Floyd in 2005-2009? He waited for Floyd to get old, right??
No!! PAC was fighting at 130 and Floyd had moved up to 140 in 2005.

I’ll also remind you that Floyd called out Cotto and Hatton in 2005 after demolishing Gatti at 140.
Their response? We’re not ready for Floyd. Cotto acknowledged that during the promotion of their fight in 2012.

Lastly, many fights don’t get made because of promoters. Gamboa-JuanMa was a fight that we wanted. Didn’t happen

Crawford vs Spence/Thurman/Porter is not happening. It’s the fight we all want.

So, Margarito-Floyd not happening rests on Arum.

.... and here we go. Go!

[edgarg]

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Fair enough. Let that topic rest.

You touched on Mayweather though and I can’t let that slide. Let the raging debate begin!!!

Just FYI, I’m doing so because I’m inclined to be corrected if wrong. Only with you.

Mayweather had a decided advantage seen by his team beforehand, BEFORE he ever fought any one.

This here 👆 is a loaded statement.

I’ll take away a couple of things I know you’ll try to use.

In 2002 during Mosley and Oscar’s “prime” at 147, Floyd was fighting at 130. Those fights were never going to happen because they were all in different weight zones. So the idea that Floyd “waited” for them to get old is just silly.

I could say the same thing about PAC - why didn’t he fight Floyd in 2005-2009? He waited for Floyd to get old, right??
No!! PAC was fighting at 130 and Floyd had moved up to 140 in 2005.

I’ll also remind you that Floyd called out Cotto and Hatton in 2005 after demolishing Gatti at 140.
Their response? We’re not ready for Floyd. Cotto acknowledged that during the promotion of their fight in 2012.

Lastly, many fights don’t get made because of promoters. Gamboa-JuanMa was a fight that we wanted. Didn’t happen

Crawford vs Spence/Thurman/Porter is not happening. It’s the fight we all want.

So, Margarito-Floyd not happening rests on Arum.

.... and here we go. Go!

Fair, and a pleasure to exchange with you. I accept your limiting, no question, but-a caveat- "calling out" means less than nothing-, often by lesser fighters to try to get bigger purses against higher ups on the ladder. Calls-out often occur when, as you point out, the potential opponent is in NO position to respond. There are promoters, venues, previous commitments logistic s,and much more preventing any meetings. And the caller-out knows this well but gets cheap advertising and flexes his muscles(in his head) without comeback.

I will deal ONLY with the Corrales fight, because this exactly typifies Mayweather's strategy and tactics. perfectly. I'll get to it a little later as I have some correspondence to attend to.

[edgarg]

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Fair enough. Let that topic rest.

You touched on Mayweather though and I can’t let that slide. Let the raging debate begin!!!

Just FYI, I’m doing so because I’m inclined to be corrected if wrong. Only with you.

Mayweather had a decided advantage seen by his team beforehand, BEFORE he ever fought any one.

This here �� is a loaded statement.

I’ll take away a couple of things I know you’ll try to use.

In 2002 during Mosley and Oscar’s “prime” at 147, Floyd was fighting at 130. Those fights were never going to happen because they were all in different weight zones. So the idea that Floyd “waited” for them to get old is just silly.

I could say the same thing about PAC - why didn’t he fight Floyd in 2005-2009? He waited for Floyd to get old, right??
No!! PAC was fighting at 130 and Floyd had moved up to 140 in 2005.

I’ll also remind you that Floyd called out Cotto and Hatton in 2005 after demolishing Gatti at 140.
Their response? We’re not ready for Floyd. Cotto acknowledged that during the promotion of their fight in 2012.

Lastly, many fights don’t get made because of promoters. Gamboa-JuanMa was a fight that we wanted. Didn’t happen

Crawford vs Spence/Thurman/Porter is not happening. It’s the fight we all want.

So, Margarito-Floyd not happening rests on Arum.

.... and here we go. Go!

Let me mention some of the facts preceding the Corrales fight. Corrales, as you know, was a 6 ft' tall 130 lber. which is really a contradiction in terms. There have been others, but it seems to be against nature.

For about the 3 previous years, he had struggled to make weight. So eventually he definitely left the 130 lb div. and went to 135. He was basically just whipcord and muscle. His home life turned very turbulent, with police interventions, assaults and the usual stuff we hear about all the time. His marriage was over, and he had been through the courts and sentenced to 2 years. He was devastated and not interested at all in boxing or anything except a self destructive life. He became much heavier during this time. and up over his head in debt to his lawyers. A complete shambles.

But he was an unbeaten champion with a high reputation and a one punch KO artist. At this juncture an offer came from the Mayweather Brains Trust, for a fight at 130 lbs, and Corrales, actually a sensitive guy, at that time, with no future except prison, was about 150 lbs. But he accepted the fight.

I personally saw a video interview of Corrales, dressed smartly, wearing a checkered peaked cap. He looked sad and pensive. To me anyway. The female interviewer asked "why have you accepted this fight, knowing that you have left 130 lbs, and how will you make weight"

Corrales replied (I remember how sad and accepting he seemed) "Well,...They made me an offer I just couldn't refuse". ..."I need the money".

So to the weigh-in. I quote (slightly paraphrased) T.K. Stewart, who then was a well known boxing writer, is an author and highly respected. "When I saw Corrales being helped to the scales, leaning on a friend's arm, his bones sticking out, his skin grey, i KNEW there and then, that he had NO chance" This is almost verbatim.

It was later revealed that Corrales did NO real training, stayed in his hotel room playing with his game-boy (according to his trainer) and in fact, spent the whole 10 days before the fight in the sweat box for many hours every day. The morning of the fight he was still 10 lbs overweight...He failed to make weight a couple of times going back to the sweat box that same morning. etc. .

Larry Merchant, who is still with us told of "Just before the fight, I was passing Corrales' dressing room and "there he was, scoffing away at a HUGE hamburger"....

I think his promoter at that time was Barry Shaw, although not certain..anyway a bad choice, because I recall that after the fight Corrales went straight to prison, and Shaw abandoned him. Or so it seems to me.

There was a sequel to his career after he came out of gaol. He weighed over 150, but quickly got his weight down, won a few fights on the way, and actually weighed in at 129 1/2 for one of them. He'd lost all his muscles in prison. Then later of course the immortal Castillo fight... but that's not part of this account.

So....I rest my case. .

[Oregonian]

Fair, and a pleasure to exchange with you. I accept your limiting, no question, but-a caveat- "calling out" means less than nothing-, often by lesser fighters to try to get bigger purses against higher ups on the ladder. Calls-out often occur when, as you point out, the potential opponent is in NO position to respond. There are promoters, venues, previous commitments logistic s,and much more preventing any meetings. And the caller-out knows this well but gets cheap advertising and flexes his muscles(in his head) without comeback.

I will deal ONLY with the Corrales fight, because this exactly typifies Mayweather's strategy and tactics. perfectly. I'll get to it a little later as I have some correspondence to attend to.

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In the case of Hatton & Cotto, he did fight them both eventually. The results would have been the same had he fought them in 2005.
Hatton was still undefeated and moving up 7 Ibs was no different from Floyd moving up 5Ibs in 2005. They were the same size.
Also, weight aside, Hatton couldn’t beat Floyd in his dreams, let alone an actual fight.

As for Cotto, he was still good enough to give Canelo a great fight a couple of years later. That was a super close fight

[Oregonian]

Let me mention some of the facts preceding the Corrales fight. Corrales, as you know, was a 6 ft' tall 130 lber. which is really a contradiction in terms. There have been others, but it seems to be against nature.

For about the 3 previous years, he had struggled to make weight. So eventually he definitely left the 130 lb div. and went to 135. He was basically just whipcord and muscle. His home life turned very turbulent, with police interventions, assaults and the usual stuff we hear about all the time. His marriage was over, and he had been through the courts and sentenced to 2 years. He was devastated and not interested at all in boxing or anything except a self destructive life. He became much heavier during this time. and up over his head in debt to his lawyers. A complete shambles.

But he was an unbeaten champion with a high reputation and a one punch KO artist. At this juncture an offer came from the Mayweather Brains Trust, for a fight at 130 lbs, and Corrales, actually a sensitive guy, at that time, with no future except prison, was about 150 lbs. But he accepted the fight.

I personally saw a video interview of Corrales, dressed smartly, wearing a checkered peaked cap. He looked sad and pensive. To me anyway. The female interviewer asked "why have you accepted this fight, knowing that you have left 130 lbs, and how will you make weight"

Corrales replied (I remember how sad and accepting he seemed) "Well,...They made me an offer I just couldn't refuse". ..."I need the money".

So to the weigh-in. I quote (slightly paraphrased) T.K. Stewart, who then was a well known boxing writer, is an author and highly respected. "When I saw Corrales being helped to the scales, leaning on a friend's arm, his bones sticking out, his skin grey, i KNEW there and then, that he had NO chance" This is almost verbatim.

It was later revealed that Corrales did NO real training, stayed in his hotel room playing with his game-boy (according to his trainer) and in fact, spent the whole 10 days before the fight in the sweat box for many hours every day. The morning of the fight he was still 10 lbs overweight...He failed to make weight a couple of times going back to the sweat box that same morning. etc. .

Larry Merchant, who is still with us told of "Just before the fight, I was passing Corrales' dressing room and "there he was, scoffing away at a HUGE hamburger"....

I think his promoter at that time was Barry Shaw, although not certain..anyway a bad choice, because I recall that after the fight Corrales went straight to prison, and Shaw abandoned him. Or so it seems to me.

There was a sequel to his career after he came out of gaol. He weighed over 150, but quickly got his weight down, won a few fights on the way, and actually weighed in at 129 1/2 for one of them. He'd lost all his muscles in prison. Then later of course the immortal Castillo fight... but that's not part of this account.

So....I rest my case. .

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Clearly you know a lot more about this than I do.
That said, I dug up Corrales BoxRec and something doesn’t add up.
In 2000, Corrales fought three times and TKO’d all his opponents before fighting Floyd in Jan of 2001. Am I missing something?

I’m not dis*****g you because I also read about Corrales and his weighty issues. Some say he was also not well.

Had the fight been at 135 and Corrales was healthy, do you think he would have beaten Floyd?