Comments Thread For: Sergio Martinez Does Not Rule Out De La Hoya Fight, Wants To Win World Title

[TheGR8TESTOAT]

I wouldn't put it past Margarito, he was on a helluva stoppage streak at that point. To be honest, I had completely forgot that Margarito had handed him his first loss. If he was using loaded wraps it makes you wonder how Daniel Santos managed to beat him at that time. I vaguely remember their fights.

yeah it always bothered me that SM never avenged this suspect loss. I wish he knocked Margacheato into retirement like when he was riding high off the Paul Williams rematch!

[TheGR8TESTOAT]

"Who else thinks that"...I don't know but certainly not ME. You seem to know nothing about the Margarito controversy. There were NO loaded wraps. There was a used knuckle pad instead of a new one. The Commissioner who was the first to look at it said that it looked as if there had been a few drops of sweat or water on it.

The big fuss by the fat guy with the little porky cap, Richardson, was gamesmanship, all to demoralize Margarito, who paid very little attention to his fist wrappings; it was a routine thing with him, done thousands of times. The hullaballoo about the "plaster" was just more nonsense caused by finding a few atoms of talcum powder on the pad.

People (who, like you, were NOT there) said that bricks dropped with a thud onto the floor, the crazies went mad about it all over these pages for years. It died away, but now you are bringing it back to artificial life..like Dr. Frankenstein.. The commission found him NOT at fault, but because of the great fuss and the fact that "technically" the pad should have been new, not used, he was banned for their minimum time, a year. They said that he was the boxer and should have paid more attention.

I recall vividly the test that was done in about 1963-4 (?) by Boxing Illustrated, to check into the story bruited about by Jack Kearns, Dempsey's manager who said he put dry plaster of paris in Dempsey's gloves, then dipped his fists in water, thus hardening them. This was to sell a book he wrote full of discredited information about the Willard fight, and to get back at Dempsey. He was broke and trying to raise a few dollars.

Anyway, they simulated what Kearns had described, and baked the fists in a carefully controlled oven until rock hard. It was done over a five hour period. (I have that BI copy. I have years of Ring and BI even the first issue)
The boxer was Cleveland Williams, one of the most feared punchers in the game. He said that after the second punch on the heavy bag he felt the plaster crumble, after the third they stopped and found only dust. In fact, the experts said that if it had not crumbled into dust the broken shards would have cut the fighter's hands to ribbons.

They all concluded that Kearns' yarn was a total fabrication.

AND I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THEM.

There were NO LOADED WRAPS. Margarito was undeservedly blamed for a myth, which became the urban legend that you just repeated.

I personally having been in a law office for over 4 years when young, was interested enough to read the total documentation from the Commissions the courts and etc. The "microscopic traces of two elements of plaster of paris" were just that MICROSCOPIC TRACES, and only seen with an ELECTRON microscope.(I think from NASA) They added that these items are found in every kitchen around the globe. They also are used in almost every cosmetic made.

So stop telling fibs. Margarito was an honest boxer.

It reminds me of what Emmanuel Augustus said when he recovered from the gunshot . "I loved boxing, but it didn't love me".. this from a guy who with proper management and training could easily have been a world champ.

LMAO I know hardcore Margarito fans who disowned him soon as he got caught bro. You are in the small minority that still actually supports that cheat. Go make a poll and ask the fans here who thinks hes innocent and holler at ya boy with the results.

[edgarg]

****** is as ****** does

LMAO I know hardcore Margarito fans who disowned him soon as he got caught bro. You are in the small minority that still actually supports that cheat. Go make a poll and ask the fans here who thinks hes innocent and holler at ya boy with the results.

I'd have to be a real fool to bother with the result of ANY poll taken on this site. There are many posters who are exceptionally knowledgeable, but who rarely post because of the rubbish that others strew all over this site. And I am not a fan of anyone. I like watching certain boxers, but being a "fan" is childish, and I'm a long-time adult. I liked Gaspar Ortega for instance. And Sugar Ray Robinson, Roy Jones, Tokunbo Olajide, and a few others. Right now ..no one. Doesn't mean that I can't strongly write about correcting misstatements of others when I happen to have been there, and know the truth. Like this time.

Who votes in polls here anyway. Only a few of the knowledgeable bother, and most of the voters know little or nothing about boxing.

But...you have your opinion, that's O.K. And I have my knowledge, which for me is O.K. too. The fact remains that Margarito was unfairly accused and excoriated by the posters on this site. Remember, there were exhaustive examinations of the knuckle pads, and only MICROSCOPIC TRACES...TRACES of calcium were found , under the most powerful microscope in the world. IN THE WORLD. And the Commission and courts emphasised that they were common in every kitchen and also were used in cosmetics. They legally found that Margarito was NOT at fault, but "as the captain of his ship" he bore the responsibility. You can look it up. The legal findings are certainly on the internet.

Remember please..."TRACES", and only spotted by the electron microscope. How could that ever have been converted into the monster of plaster of paris in the wraps. There was NOTHING in the wraps except the usual gauze, and the used gauze knuckle pad. Richardson talked about a pasty substance, which nobody saw but him. And what if there was, where did it disappear to. If it was a substance, they'd have scooped it into a container for examination.. at very least.

And plaster of paris DOESN'T WORK.

I recall a guy who once said that he doesn't care about the truth... he cares only for the facts...and never realised what a fool he'd made of himself. Well I'm not that sort of guy.

No harm done or intended.

[Oregonian]

I'd have to be a real fool to bother with the result of ANY poll taken on this site. There are many posters who are exceptionally knowledgeable, but who rarely post because of the rubbish that others strew all over this site. And I am not a fan of anyone. I like watching certain boxers, but being a "fan" is childish, and I'm a long-time adult. I liked Gaspar Ortega for instance. And Sugar Ray Robinson, Roy Jones, Tokunbo Olajide, and a few others. Right now ..no one. Doesn't mean that I can't strongly write about correcting misstatements of others when I happen to have been there, and know the truth. Like this time.

Who votes in polls here anyway. Only a few of the knowledgeable bother, and most of the voters know little or nothing about boxing.

But...you have your opinion, that's O.K. And I have my knowledge, which for me is O.K. too. The fact remains that Margarito was unfairly accused and excoriated by the posters on this site. Remember, there were exhaustive examinations of the knuckle pads, and only MICROSCOPIC TRACES...TRACES of calcium were found , under the most powerful microscope in the world. IN THE WORLD. And the Commission and courts emphasised that they were common in every kitchen and also were used in cosmetics. They legally found that Margarito was NOT at fault, but "as the captain of his ship" he bore the responsibility. You can look it up. The legal findings are certainly on the internet.

Remember please..."TRACES", and only spotted by the electron microscope. How could that ever have been converted into the monster of plaster of paris in the wraps. There was NOTHING in the wraps except the usual gauze, and the used gauze knuckle pad. Richardson talked about a pasty substance, which nobody saw but him. And what if there was, where did it disappear to. If it was a substance, they'd have scooped it into a container for examination.. at very least.

And plaster of paris DOESN'T WORK.

I recall a guy who once said that he doesn't care about the truth... he cares only for the facts...and never realised what a fool he'd made of himself. Well I'm not that sort of guy.

No harm done or intended.

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Margarito was a cheating turd. All that you wrote just shows you are a loyal but blind fan.
Mosley wiped the floor with him. That’s how pathetic Margarito became. And that’s not a knock on Shane

[edgarg]

Ho Ho Ho Santa is coming .

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Margarito was a cheating turd. All that you wrote just shows you are a loyal but blind fan.
Mosley wiped the floor with him. That’s how pathetic Margarito became. And that’s not a knock on Shane

Don't forget Santa is coming...You also believe in fairies I'm sure. After what I've just written, which you may -or may not- have read, to write what you just did, shows your lack of comprehension. "Fan"... Grow up kid.

There was always the chance that Mosley would do that. He was much faster, beat him always to the punch, didn't allow him to come too close, was a heavy puncher....and Margarito was very rattled by the wraps rubbish. Other far better boxers have been derailed by much less. I know this-if you don't. Look at the way that Mosley was so rattled by that unexpected KD by Pacquiao in rd 2 that he backtracked the rest of the fight and hardly threw a punch. THAT'S a good example of being "derailed". I never saw him like that before..

The old fat guy played a big part in Mosley winning that fight so easily.

Don't you understand what "microscopic traces" mean.... to be identified only by the strongest microscope in the world means that they weighed about a 10 millionth of a millionth of a gram. Basically a few motes of dust. It was only when the pad was examined by that microscope, that these "traces" were found.

It was only a used gauze pad.

We can agree to disagree, no harm done. And I'm not a blind anything. You'll have to take my word for it because I know and you don't. I read about 14 hours a day and have never worn glasses.

But a "fan".......Pleeyuse..!!

[Tankdestroyer]

"Who else thinks that"...I don't know but certainly not ME. You seem to know nothing about the Margarito controversy. There were NO loaded wraps. There was a used knuckle pad instead of a new one. The Commissioner who was the first to look at it said that it looked as if there had been a few drops of sweat or water on it.

The big fuss by the fat guy with the little porky cap, Richardson, was gamesmanship, all to demoralize Margarito, who paid very little attention to his fist wrappings; it was a routine thing with him, done thousands of times. The hullaballoo about the "plaster" was just more nonsense caused by finding a few atoms of talcum powder on the pad.

People (who, like you, were NOT there) said that bricks dropped with a thud onto the floor, the crazies went mad about it all over these pages for years. It died away, but now you are bringing it back to artificial life..like Dr. Frankenstein.. The commission found him NOT at fault, but because of the great fuss and the fact that "technically" the pad should have been new, not used, he was banned for their minimum time, a year. They said that he was the boxer and should have paid more attention.

I recall vividly the test that was done in about 1963-4 (?) by Boxing Illustrated, to check into the story bruited about by Jack Kearns, Dempsey's manager who said he put dry plaster of paris in Dempsey's gloves, then dipped his fists in water, thus hardening them. This was to sell a book he wrote full of discredited information about the Willard fight, and to get back at Dempsey. He was broke and trying to raise a few dollars.

Anyway, they simulated what Kearns had described, and baked the fists in a carefully controlled oven until rock hard. It was done over a five hour period. (I have that BI copy. I have years of Ring and BI even the first issue)
The boxer was Cleveland Williams, one of the most feared punchers in the game. He said that after the second punch on the heavy bag he felt the plaster crumble, after the third they stopped and found only dust. In fact, the experts said that if it had not crumbled into dust the broken shards would have cut the fighter's hands to ribbons.

They all concluded that Kearns' yarn was a total fabrication.

AND I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THEM.

There were NO LOADED WRAPS. Margarito was undeservedly blamed for a myth, which became the urban legend that you just repeated.

I personally having been in a law office for over 4 years when young, was interested enough to read the total documentation from the Commissions the courts and etc. The "microscopic traces of two elements of plaster of paris" were just that MICROSCOPIC TRACES, and only seen with an ELECTRON microscope.(I think from NASA) They added that these items are found in every kitchen around the globe. They also are used in almost every cosmetic made.

So stop telling fibs. Margarito was an honest boxer.

It reminds me of what Emmanuel Augustus said when he recovered from the gunshot . "I loved boxing, but it didn't love me".. this from a guy who with proper management and training could easily have been a world champ.

of all those whom tried to convince me Margo was not a cheat, you have gone the furthest! Seriously? You outdid yourself here sugar pie. Bravo, BRA-motha-fvccin-VO!!

Margarito will remain the biggest cheater of our generation! Possibly lifetime!

[Oregonian]

Don't forget Santa is coming...You also believe in fairies I'm sure. After what I've just written, which you may -or may not- have read, to write what you just did, shows your lack of comprehension. "Fan"... Grow up kid.

There was always the chance that Mosley would do that. He was much faster, beat him always to the punch, didn't allow him to come too close, was a heavy puncher....and Margarito was very rattled by the wraps rubbish. Other far better boxers have been derailed by much less. I know this-if you don't. Look at the way that Mosley was so rattled by that unexpected KD by Pacquiao in rd 2 that he backtracked the rest of the fight and hardly threw a punch. THAT'S a good example of being "derailed". I never saw him like that before..

The old fat guy played a big part in Mosley winning that fight so easily.

Don't you understand what "microscopic traces" mean.... to be identified only by the strongest microscope in the world means that they weighed about a 10 millionth of a millionth of a gram. Basically a few motes of dust. It was only when the pad was examined by that microscope, that these "traces" were found.

It was only a used gauze pad.

We can agree to disagree, no harm done. And I'm not a blind anything. You'll have to take my word for it because I know and you don't. I read about 14 hours a day and have never worn glasses.

But a "fan".......Pleeyuse..!!

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One thing I do appreciate is when someone takes the time to explain their opinion so I’m not going to disrespect you.

Where we part ways is not just the loaded gloves but how your perception is a little off in my opinion.
Mosley was coming off a one sided beating at the hands of Mayweather. The only thing anyone remembers of that fight is the two monster punches that Shane landed. Period.
Mosley was so rattled the whole fight that Naazim Richardson had to make him repeat what he was saying to him.

PAC fighting Mosley was PAC doing his thing of cherry picking. Mosley was pretty much done at that point. Mosley never won a major fight after Floyd. He even had a draw with Sergio Moraa.

Two, Naazim Richardson is probably the most respected figure in boxing, so for you to reduce him to “the old fat guy” is just uncool especially because he just passed away a couple of months ago. Uncalled for, bro.

Margarito, after Mosley was done too. Not because of age. There was something about his wraps regardless of how you play it.

[lopetego]

The only opponent I wanna see Martinez fight is Margacheato! I think Margacheato used loaded wraps plaster of Paris to beat him in their fight! Who else thinks that?

"Margarito didn't use plaster against me! he beat me fair and square"

-- Sergio Martinez

yeah, he's said that

Margo and Sergio are good friends didn't you know, so much for your butthurt pro-cotto theory

[lopetego]

yeah it always bothered me that SM never avenged this suspect loss. I wish he knocked Margacheato into retirement like when he was riding high off the Paul Williams rematch!

There's no suspected loss. That ****'s in you head only


look at this, 13 years after their fight.


if Sergio really thought Margo cheated against him
he wouldn't be hanging around with him as if he was his gay lover, would he?

Margo "beat him fair and square", get over it.

Question for Sergio Martinez: After your loss to Margarito in 2000, did you ever imagine that your career would be like this?

"My loss to Margarito was probably the best thing that happened to me. It humbled me and made me realize that this is a serious sport, and I needed to mature as a fighter and as a person. It also made me realize that I needed to change.

https://www.******.com/340357-lems-l...rgio-martinez/

[TheGR8TESTOAT]

There's no suspected loss. That ****'s in you head only


look at this, 13 years after their fight.


if Sergio really thought Margo cheated against him
he wouldn't be hanging around with him as if he was his gay lover, would he?

Margo "beat him fair and square", get over it.



https://www.******.com/340357-lems-l...rgio-martinez/

LOL thats funny I remember this pic. But listen bro. Have you met Sergio Martinez? I have he's the coolest Mofo ever! Mad humble and down to earth.

So I dont think he'd hold grudges either way to be honest.