Steve Rolls & Szeremeta are ok. But Jacobs & Kovalev not good enough?

[Citizen Koba]

Even if you're right about what DAZN considers "premium" that kinda helps Canelo's case more than it hurts it.

Who's going to buy a boxer vs MMA guy again after the Mayweather v McGregor fiasco. And it can be argued that today's casual fan doesn't even know who De La Hoya is.

It makes DAZN look worse, not better.

It makes the judges job easier too.

Possibly, I honestly don't know. I ain't got a horse in this race and it will play out as it does, I was merely clarifying their use of a term... I'm not 100% where I saw it now, I think on one of the earlier threads, but I think it has to do with DAZNs expectation of the uptake they'd get from a fight, in which case it might depend on whether they could prove such an expectation was reasonable... like I say I really don't know. Contract law most certainly ain't a field I've got knowledge in, more's the pity...


Looks to me though that DAZN shouldn't have written in a term to the contract that wasn't clearly defined and Canelo shouldn't have signed it without clarifying what was meant. Once again possibly coming down to what a judge considers 'reasonable'... though if there really ain't any specifications to the term I personally would think it reasonable that Canelo assumed he'd be facing other active boxers.

[Shadoww702]

Yes Rolls was a cherry pick but what the *** do you think Fall Down Fielding was? Fielding was not a real champion. He was one of those Jr champions. The real champion was Callum Smith who had KOed Fielding in one round and team Canelo knew that. Canelo could have fought the real champ Smith but he chose Fielding instead. Canelo was a 16 to 1 favorite to beat Fielding. At least Rolls was an undefeated boxer who had never been knocked down. Canelo could have fought any of the three undefeated light heavyweight champs but he made it clear Kovalev was the only champion he would fight. Kovalev fought like a guy who wanted to lose. If he threw one hard punch at Canelo I missed it. Crusher Kovalev fought like tapper Kovalev. GGG has no choice but to fight his mandatory. The IBF means business when it comes to their champions fighting the number 1 mandatory challenger. When Canelo refused to fight his IBF mantatory they stripped him of their title. They will do the same to GGG if he does not fight his mandatory. All the GGG haters call his mandatory a bum but the guy is undefeated in 20 fights and he is ranked 1st by the IBF so how is he a poor fighter? I don't see any double standard. DAZN approved all of Canelo's fights including cherry pick Fielding. GGG had one cherry pick too in Rolls. Then GGG fought Dervy who is a hell of a good fighter in a fight of the year canidate. Watch the fights and it is easy to see the Dervy who fought GGG was many times better than the passive Kovalev who fought Canelo. The fight Canelo wanted next was a Turk for the vacant WBC supper middleweight title. This Turk was coming off a lose to Dirrell and he had already been destroyed be Eubank in a few rounds. You don't need to worry about double standards anymore. Canelo is suing DAZN so he will be free to cherry pick any fight he wants..

I tell ppl never go RTARD but you!!!! You go FULL RTARD x1000

[koolkc107]

Possibly, I honestly don't know. I ain't got a horse in this race and it will play out as it does, I was merely clarifying their use of a term... I'm not 100% where I saw it now, I think on one of the earlier threads, but I think it has to do with DAZNs expectation of the uptake they'd get from a fight, in which case it might depend on whether they could prove such an expectation was reasonable... like I say I really don't know. Contract law most certainly ain't a field I've got knowledge in, more's the pity...


Looks to me though that DAZN shouldn't have written in a term to the contract that wasn't clearly defined and Canelo shouldn't have signed it without clarifying what was meant. Once again possibly coming down to what a judge considers 'reasonable'... though if there really ain't any specifications to the term I personally would think it reasonable that Canelo assumed he'd be facing other active boxers.

I'm honestly hoping DAZN gets thru this. Who wouldn't want to pay 100 a year if they could get 5 or 6 ppv worthy fights.

Unfortunately, they've never delivered that and it was getting progressively worse even before the pandemic.

I hope there's a settlement fast. The longer it goes, the worse it'll get for all involved.

[ShoulderRoll]

Not arguing either way over whether the definition is a good one or not but I believe when they used the term 'premium' they were refering to the amount of revenue they believed an opponent might create rather than to their quality as a boxer.

In short they were saying we'll pay you big $$$ if we think the fight will bring in plenty of subs. As to whether that was within their contractual rights is for the courts to decide. Could be there will be some debate over precisely what the two sides understood the term to mean.

Once the courts hear that only 4 fighters were considered "premium" (with one of those 4 being retired and two others being MMA fighters) I think DAZN is in serious trouble of losing the case.

It's not a good look for them.

[daggum]

How can you claim that the same standards are being applied when Jacobs and Kovalev are legitimate top 3 in their division and world champions when Canelo fought them, as opposed to Rolls and Sczarcrameto who aren’t even top 50?

Canelo gets criticized for fighting top opposition meanwhile GGG gets criticized for fighting bums. What does Canelo have to do to get credit? He’s already jumped like 5 weight classes and he’s physically smaller then GGG. Those are not the same standards...

not many people criticized canelo for fighting jacobs or kovalev so im not sure what you are talkign about. sounds like a straw man to me. canelo is trying to fight yildrim next so thats a similar level to rolls and szeremeta and people are criticizing him for that just like they criticized ggg for it.

also canelo is not smaller than ggg not sure what you mean there. he fights at 168-175, is as wide as a building, and does ped's.

[Citizen Koba]

Once the courts hear that only 4 fighters were considered "premium" (with one of those 4 being retired and two others being MMA fighters) I think DAZN is in serious trouble of losing the case.

It's not a good look for them.

I'd imagine it hangs on whether there was any attempt to define 'premium' in the contract and if so what it entailed. As I mentioned to Kool above though I'd certainly argue if I was in Canelo's shoes that it was reasonable to assume the term refered to current active professional boxers, but DAZN will likely argue that all that matters was that it was a boxing match and that it was expected to drive a certain number of subscriptions.

Now we apparently got DAZN saying Canelo hasn't seen the contract, and that GBP have deceived him...

Might as well just wait and see what comes out, at this point all we got is speculation.

[daggum]

I'd imagine it hangs on whether there was any attempt to define 'premium' in the contract and if so what it entailed. As I mentioned to Kool above though I'd certainly argue if I was in Canelo's shoes that it was reasonable to assume the term refered to current active professional boxers.

Now we apparently got DAZN saying Canelo hasn't seen the contract, and that GBP have deceived him...

Might as well just wait and see what comes out, at this point all we got is speculation.

yildram is definitely premium. im sure the judge who doesnt even follow boxing can tell you that.

[ShoulderRoll]

I'd imagine it hangs on whether there was any attempt to define 'premium' in the contract and if so what it entailed. As I mentioned to Kool above though I'd certainly argue if I was in Canelo's shoes that it was reasonable to assume the term refered to current active professional boxers.

Now we apparently got DAZN saying Canelo hasn't seen the contract, and that GBP have deceived him...

Might as well just wait and see what comes out, at this point all we got is speculation.

Bellator MMA doesn't know what is going on with their DAZN deal either.

It's all speculation at this point I agree. But it seems like they have quite a mess on their hands over there.

[Citizen Koba]

yildram is definitely premium. im sure the judge who doesnt even follow boxing can tell you that.

I suspect you may have stumbled upon the one comment that can unite the entire forum in a common opinion. That's actually quite the accomplishment.

[El_Mero]

Danny lost $800K from his $12mil to be whatever weight he wanted since he bypassed the morning weigh in and paid the huge fee. But he “weak” doe.

The Krusher got schooled because forum members here actually laugh at about Canelo’s high guard because they don’t understand boxing. Canelo has returned firepower for those infamous right hands that GGG and Jacobs threw, the same counter he neutralized on Kova’s right hand. When you’re watching the fights do you understand the chess match from elites?

You can’t compare proven world level top 3 ranked opposition to Steve Rolls and Sacramento, that is not objective. These are facts, they are not comparable in any way, shape, or form.

Acknowledging that GGG is physically bigger then Canelo is not fanboying, it’s a fact. Just because Canelo is genetically gifted and has the ability and skills to fight in different weight classes doesn’t make him naturally bigger man. You saw them stand beside each other fight night on two occasions, it was clear GGG was the bigger man.

Ok kids. Keep circle jerkin to Sauls pics. Yall are a mess.