Why Canelo fans pretend like Canelo is on higher level than GGG

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  • UNBANNED
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    #31
    Originally posted by Boxing-1013
    I wouldn't exactly say a 'gift'...but I would agree that Sergei would have a very tough time winning the fight on the cards, regardless of what he did. I think it is possible to get him to 7 rounds (live I had it 6-6 so can't be mad if someone found 7 for Sergei). On rewatch I don't think Sergei's activity advantage was as great as I originally thought and I scored it 7-5 to GGG.


    I think Sergei looked better than expected and worked GGG as much as anyone has, so I think there were some bonus points thrown his way a little bit, but not much. Contrast that to say Canelo, who would get outworked by GGG almost every round but some try and give him 7 or so rounds one or either of those fights. I think many who don't like GGG seem to only score his opponent's work and not his.

    He fought a hell of a fight and if not for the KD and for GGG landing some big shots throughout some of the rounds where he was getting outworked, it could have been a more decisive result for Sergei.



    I'm pretty sure that I've seen that most still feel GGG won the 2nd fight as well. And then about half of the rest feel it was a draw and then the rest feel it was a Canelo win. Like 60-20-20.

    As I've said before, I just don't see how anyone can find 6 or 7+ rounds for Canelo in either fight. He got outworked almost every round, and I can't find one round in either fight where he outworked GGG and landed the best shot or shots of the round - which would make it a clear round for him.

    I don't hate Canelo at all. I was impressed with him in both fights to be honest. I thought his stamina would let him down in fight 1 but he boxed well enough, just lost 8-4, no shame in that. That's still a good fight.

    Fight 2 he fought even better but still with limited output and I ended up with the same 8-4 score to GGG. But Canelo held the ring with GGG all night, and that was something we've never seen before. I was impressed, but I still have to score GGG's work just like I score Canelo's.

    I think Canelo was in his prime vs GGG in those fights; GGG I don't think he was. It is arguable when GGG's prime was. I think he has aged well enough, but I would say about 30-33 was his prime, where his physical was still basically all there and the mental was at a high level.

    I don't think GGG was tremendously off of his peak for the Canelo or Jacobs fights though. Those 3 fights were against guys who were somewhat slick, could punch, could box, and were determined to go 12 rounds. I had all 3 fights 8-4 to GGG so I don't think that is a big difference from what those may have been earlier in GGG's career against those same guys.

    It took him 8 rounds to break down Lemieux and Stevens, and 7 for Adama and Rosado. 11 for Murray. Even 10 for Ouma (though that may have been before his top level; but I think Ouma was tough as nails and had a decent gameplan to win, though he paid for it dearly with his health).

    GGG's talent is not necessarily being this 1 punch monster; but he was a break you down fighter who would wear you down with volume, and every punch seemed to hurt. And he would always score with his jab, which is a great punch. So him winning every round while breaking down Lemieux or Stevens in 8; I don't see him tremendously off that level by imo winning 8-4 vs Jacobs and Canelo and breaking them down, just not at the same level. But those 2 guys are 2 levels above Lemieux and 3 above Stevens.

    But yeah I don't see how Canelo could be much better in a few years than what he is. Mainly because he has already been pro for like 15 years and his body is seemingly starting to fail him. To me Canelo-GGG was Canelo 100% prime vs GGG 85-90%. I don't know what Canelo will be in 5-6 years but I fear he may be retired at that point.
    Sergei beat GGG by a wider margin than GGG beat Canelo in the 1st fight. And thats INCLUDING the rabbit punch KD

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    • Thuglife Nelo
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      #32
      Originally posted by UNBANNED
      Sergei beat GGG by a wider margin than GGG beat Canelo in the 1st fight. And thats INCLUDING the rabbit punch KD
      That poster doesn’t know what prime is. He thinks Canelo’s current physique and punching power is the same as at 160. He’s greatly mistaken. Canelo has probably dipped in 5-7% speed moving up in weights, but Ring IQ alleviates that since he gets better each fight. Thudding power Canelo is at his peak imo.

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      • ruedboy
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        #33
        Originally posted by JakeTheBoxer
        I don`t see it that way. They both struggled with top competition.

        And no, 50 years old alcoholic Kovalev is not top competition.

        What is Canelo`s career defining win? Is it close win against GGG or Lara?

        Saying GGG is not ATG but Canelo is, is just ******. tell me who is your best win and I tell you who you are.

        If GGG is not very good, Canelo also can`t be very good. You don`t prove you are good if you beat average guys.
        I think Alvarez fans have to say Canelo is the superior fighter because if a 27 year old Alvarez wasn't superior to a 35 year old Golovkin, what would a 27 year old Golovkin have done to Alvarez?
        Of course despite the age difference the two fighters were separated by just one round in the 24 rounds they fought and neither fighter was able to dominate, so fans can draw their own conclusions about a hypothetical meeting between the two fighters at age 27.

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        • STREET CLEANER
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          #34
          Canelo's match making and weight clauses are better than GGG.

          On paper he has a better resume until you look at the contractual weights.

          Still Canelo is one of the top p4p fighter and the cash cow.

          I thought that he lost both fights agains GGG but I am not upset for the results. Close competitive fights.

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