Comments Thread For: Ugas: They Dodge Me Because I Don't Have A Belt; That'll Change Sunday Night

[Doubledagger]

https://www.boxingscene.com/yordenis...spence--129214

https://www.boxingscene.com/errol-sp...t-ugas--129217

Who’s revising history again and who’s avoiding who?

Check this out:

https://www.boxingscene.com/ugas-som...ripped--129248

Did IBF do something about this? Nope

They allowed Spence to have a defense against a LW while making Ugas wait till he rots. That led Ugas to move on and went to this:

https://www.boxingscene.com/ugas-vs-...porter--130513


Now then....

Can you provide links that can support your claim?

I REPEAT!

Nice try revising history.

Ocampo was actually ordered to fight an eliminator for the mandatory position BEFORE Ugas was ordered to fight Ray Robinson for his own title eliminator.

At the time Ocampo was ordered to fight his eliminator, Ugas was still ranked ELEVENTH in the rankings.

He only shot up to number 2 after he beat Ray Robinson.

The IBF ordered that Ugas vs Robinson ALSO be an eliminator as a BACK UP because they didn't think Ocampo would take the Errol Spence fight because he was still a young prospect.

Ugas shot up to second while Ocampo remained third BECAUSE Ocampo's opponent for the title eliminator pulled out on the week of the fight.

So Ocampo didn't get to fight his eliminator but that was not his fault, he was ordered to fight an eliminator before Ugas while Ugas was eleventh in the rankings, and therefore deserved first crack at Spence.

"On July 2017, the IBF ordered a title eliminator between Ocampo and Konstantin Ponomarev. The winner will be the mandatory challenger to IBF champion Errol Spence Jr.[3] The fight was later called off as Ponomarev pulled out for undisclosed reasons.[4]"

The above is an extract from Ocampo's Wikia page.

I got more proof for you. Hold on...

https://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/story/...imination-bout

I'm not done.

https://*************/watch?v=ylzQ8mHVSQE

This ish is thoroughly explained in the above link.

Spence fought his RIGHTFUL mandatory Ocampo. If Ugas had been the RIGHTFUL mandatory, Spence would have fought Ugas and smashed him too.

And I REPEAT! The IBF is the most legit organization out of the alphabet orgs. They go strictly by the book.

Spence didn't win a vacant title which means the IBF cannot make him fight two mandatories back to back. After Ocampo was RIGHTFULLY given his mandatory shot, Spence was allowed a voluntary defense before he could be ordered to defend again.

Could he have fought Ugas as a voluntary? Sure, he could have. But Ugas was a no name with no achievements in boxing at the time. Spence was looking for names on his record.

It's only after Ugas gave Porter trouble that people began to rate Ugas as one of the top five/six welterweights.

And even then Spence has bigger fish to fry with unifications with Pac and Crawford. Unless Ugas becomes his madatory, like he could have been if he didn't run to the WBA and fought Porter for the title eliminator in a rematch, then there is no need to fight Ugas.

Don't let me catch you spreading that Ugas being ducked by Spence garbage around here again.

Spence didn't duck that fool, that fool is the one running, going to a different org every time Spence comes around.

What's he gonna do when Spence unified with Manny and gets the WBA, will he suddenly feel like he wants to compete for the WBO?

[Doubledagger]

No, he won't provide any proof. There are none. Ugas just want to fight for a belt and porter gave him the opportunity, he won that fight and was taken from him. You can say anything about Cubans fighters, boring, amateurish but never duckers. They want to face the best, that is a culture thing. Just crossing the Florida strait on a raft is challenging enough.

He won't provide any?

Well, I did fool!

I provided proof beyond reasonable doubt that the IBF actually followed protocol and we're JUST and FAIR by ordering Ocampo ahead of Ugas.

Nice try though.

[Ca$ual Fan]

I REPEAT!

Nice try revising history.

Ocampo was actually ordered to fight an eliminator for the mandatory position BEFORE Ugas was ordered to fight Ray Robinson for his own title eliminator.

At the time Ocampo was ordered to fight his eliminator, Ugas was still ranked ELEVENTH in the rankings.

He only shot up to number 2 after he beat Ray Robinson.

The IBF ordered that Ugas vs Robinson ALSO be an eliminator as a BACK UP because they didn't think Ocampo would take the Errol Spence fight because he was still a young prospect.

Ugas shot up to second while Ocampo remained third BECAUSE Ocampo's opponent for the title eliminator pulled out on the week of the fight.

So Ocampo didn't get to fight his eliminator but that was not his fault, he was ordered to fight an eliminator before Ugas while Ugas was eleventh in the rankings, and therefore deserved first crack at Spence.

"On July 2017, the IBF ordered a title eliminator between Ocampo and Konstantin Ponomarev. The winner will be the mandatory challenger to IBF champion Errol Spence Jr.[3] The fight was later called off as Ponomarev pulled out for undisclosed reasons.[4]"

The above is an extract from Ocampo's Wikia page.

I got more proof for you. Hold on...

https://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/story/...imination-bout

I'm not done.

https://*************/watch?v=ylzQ8mHVSQE

This ish is thoroughly explained in the above link.

Spence fought his RIGHTFUL mandatory Ocampo. If Ugas had been the RIGHTFUL mandatory, Spence would have fought Ugas and smashed him too.

And I REPEAT! The IBF is the most legit organization out of the alphabet orgs. They go strictly by the book.

Spence didn't win a vacant title which means the IBF cannot make him fight two mandatories back to back. After Ocampo was RIGHTFULLY given his mandatory shot, Spence was allowed a voluntary defense before he could be ordered to defend again.

Could he have fought Ugas as a voluntary? Sure, he could have. But Ugas was a no name with no achievements in boxing at the time. Spence was looking for names on his record.

It's only after Ugas gave Porter trouble that people began to rate Ugas as one of the top five/six welterweights.

And even then Spence has bigger fish to fry with unifications with Pac and Crawford. Unless Ugas becomes his madatory, like he could have been if he didn't run to the WBA and fought Porter for the title eliminator in a rematch, then there is no need to fight Ugas.

Don't let me catch you spreading that Ugas being ducked by Spence garbage around here again.

Spence didn't duck that fool, that fool is the one running, going to a different org every time Spence comes around.

What's he gonna do when Spence unified with Manny and gets the WBA, will he suddenly feel like he wants to compete for the WBO?

You only justified why Ocampo was the ‘rightful’ mandatory for Spence which is fair enough but you also attempted to justify as well as to why Spence didn’t fight Ugas next.

Let me quote you again straight from you:

Could he have fought Ugas as a voluntary? Sure, he could have. But Ugas was a no name with no achievements in boxing at the time. Spence was looking for names on his record.

You just answered the question on who avoided who - all excuses aside

Let me place this link again to make it ALL CLEAR AND SOUND. Straight from the horses’ mouth

Spence: I would rather fight Jessie Vargas next than Ugas

https://www.boxingscene.com/errol-sp...t-ugas--129217

[Doubledagger]

You only justified why Ocampo was the ‘rightful’ mandatory for Spence which is fair enough but you also attempted to justify as well as to why Spence didn’t fight Ugas next.

Let me quote you again straight from you:



You just answered the question on who avoided who - all excuses aside

Let me place this link again to make it ALL CLEAR AND SOUND. Straight from the horses’ mouth

Spence: I would rather fight Jessie Vargas next than Ugas

https://www.boxingscene.com/errol-sp...t-ugas--129217

This is super ridiculous.

So Spence is supposed to fight any no name fighter who calls him out just because?

Are you even listening to yourself?

Get it through your thick head.

Ugas was a no name fighter who hadn't done jack, and he wasn't even a super prospect like Jaron Ennis and Virgil Ortiz are right now. He was just some random guy. World champions are not obliged to fight guys like that, in fact, if Spence fought Ugas back then he would have been accused of Cherry Picking.

I wouldn't even be surprised if you would have been the first one to say that right after Ugas got KTFO.

PS. Your boy got wobbled last weekend in the third round by bum ass Ramos.

Yeah, lol, Spence is sure ducking this mediocre, no speed and no power guy, smh!

[JakeTheBoxer]

Ugas - Thurman would be nice

[Ca$ual Fan]

This is super ridiculous.

So Spence is supposed to fight any no name fighter who calls him out just because?

Are you even listening to yourself?

Get it through your thick head.

Ugas was a no name fighter who hadn't done jack, and he wasn't even a super prospect like Jaron Ennis and Virgil Ortiz are right now. He was just some random guy. World champions are not obliged to fight guys like that, in fact, if Spence fought Ugas back then he would have been accused of Cherry Picking.

I wouldn't even be surprised if you would have been the first one to say that right after Ugas got KTFO.

PS. Your boy got wobbled last weekend in the third round by bum ass Ramos.

Yeah, lol, Spence is sure ducking this mediocre, no speed and no power guy, smh!

So basically, you just agreed with me that Spence was the one who declined that potential match-up not Ugas no matter what reasons you try to put up and try defending Spence’s position on that.

I didn’t come here to bash Spence. I’m not even a big Ugas fan either. But when you mentioned Ugas avoiding Spence, which till now you have no proof btw (there is more proof the other way around), that’s where I came in and try to correct that. I’m calling it on how it is.

Fact remains, Ugas became ranked. Ugas asked for a Spence fight. Spence declined.

And btw, Spence’s next fight was no better than Ugas especially at WW mind you. That WAS the real cherrypick

[techliam]

Needs a highlight win to tempt the big names

A fake title isn’t enough, and I bet they’ll use it to demand silly purses

Ugas needs a breakout win and may have to accept short money in the short term to get it. Doubt it happens as to me this looks like a promotional ‘dead end’- they got you a ‘title’, but you’ll be fed to someone upcoming

[garfios]

He won't provide any?

Well, I did fool!

I provided proof beyond reasonable doubt that the IBF actually followed protocol and we're JUST and FAIR by ordering Ocampo ahead of Ugas.

Nice try though.

do you really think Ugas is ducking spence or any other top ww? And by the same token I don't think spence is dycking anyone. Management is the one directing their careers and spence has more say on who he fights. Ocampo never fought an eliminator. He was there by default.

[Doubledagger]

do you really think Ugas is ducking spence or any other top ww? And by the same token I don't think spence is dycking anyone. Management is the one directing their careers and spence has more say on who he fights. Ocampo never fought an eliminator. He was there by default.

Clearly you didn't read the links I provided.

Ocampo was ordered to fight an eliminator against Pantaromanov or whatever his name is, but the guy pulled out on the week of the fight.

Because it wasn't Ocampo's fault that his opponent pulled out, the IBF had to give him his mandatory shot against Errol Spence.

The Ugas vs Ray Robinson eliminator was ordered AFTER the Ocampo eliminator, therefore Ocamp had first dibs.

Ugas vs Ray Robinson was supposed to be the back up.

The IBF didn't believe that Ocampo would take the Spence fight because he was still a young developing prospect.

If you remember, at the time, there was a lot of doubt about whether the fight would happen.

But Ocampo and team, to mostly everyone's surprise, decided to take the fight.

Ugas was eleventh in the rankings before he got the eliminator with Ray Robinson, but jumped to second after he beat Ray Robinson.

Ugas also could not get ordered to fight Spence because Spence had just fought a mandatory and therefore had to have a voluntary defense first before he can be ordered to fight someone else.

Ugas wasn't ducked, if Ocampo had not chosen the money and chosen to develop more then Ugas would have been ordered and we both know Spence would not have vacated a belt.

He didn't want to fight Garcia either he wanted Pacquiao but Garcia is his mandatory and Spence ain't about to drop no belt.

His goal is to be undisputed after all.

Even coming from that car crash he was offered the opportunity for a tune up by both the IBF and the WBC and he said no, he gonna take his mandatory.

Now, I'm a firm believer that actions speak far louder than words.

No one has as of yet told me why Ugas keeps switching organizations every time he is close to getting a Spence mandatory.

He switched from IBF to WBC, and now after Spence takes the WBC he switches to WBA.

Why he keep switching?

Anyway, if Manny keeps ducking Spence I think Spence should fight Ugas for the WBA regular belt and then use that belt to get the WBA to order a fight between him and Manny.

Jacobs was able to use that belt to get the WBA to order him and GGG to fight.

I remember before Andrade moved up to 160 that the WBA announced two weeks earlier that they would order negotiations begin in September of that year for Lara, the super champ, and Andrade, the wba regular champ to fight each other.

So if Spence beats Garcia, and Manny still won't fight him, he should definitely go after Ugas so that he can use that belt to get the WBA to order him and Manny to fight.

It won't even be much of detour as it will be in line with his goal to become undisputed and clean out the division.

"My my how the tables have turned. I been saying for a long time that my goal is to clean out the entire division. So line em up and I'll knock em down."

Thats what Spence said when Garcia confronted him in the Spence/Porter post fight interview.

So line em up!!!