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  • #21
    Originally posted by revelated View Post
    KO is a matter of choice if actually trying.

    Would you say with a straight face that you've ever - EVER - seen Erislandy Lara try to get a KO before any of his "robbery" draws or losses?

    What about Rigondeaux? Any fight where it was a blowout on the scorecards? Did you see him try for a KO?

    Did you see Errol Spence try to KO Mikey? I didn't.

    Have you seen Broner try to KO anyone at 147?

    Did you believe that Thurman was trying to KO Manny?

    Danny Swift TRIED to knockout Redkach. He failed. But at least he tried.

    Porter TRIED to knockout Formella. He failed. But at least he tried.

    Crawford TRIED to knockout Khan. He failed...and resorted to a low blow to get a TKO.

    Jermell Charlo TRIED for a knockout against Harrison in the rematch and got it. But in the first fight he wasn't trying for it, and took an L as a result.

    Fury TRIED to knockout Wilder in the rematch and succeeded. In the first fight he wasn't trying and damn near got knocked out himself.

    You can tell when a fighter is actually trying for a knockout and when they're trying to cruise to a win.
    The beauty of boxing is that there is an example in response to any example. The list is long and the discussion of exchanging examples is pointless and doesn't prove anything. Wanting something, trying something will not guarantee result. Especially if the other side is eager not to get caught.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by alexjust View Post
      The beauty of boxing is that there is an example in response to any example. The list is long and the discussion of exchanging examples is pointless and doesn't prove anything. Wanting something, trying something will not guarantee result. Especially if the other side is eager not to get caught.
      Answer the question, don't duck it. Pick just one of that list.

      Name ONE opponent Erislandy Lara made an active effort to knock out.

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      • #23
        154 division suck so anything can happen.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by revelated View Post
          Answer the question, don't duck it. Pick just one of that list.

          Name ONE opponent Erislandy Lara made an active effort to knock out.
          Oh no, I am cornered. Jesus, man, you are pulling straws here and trying to validate a general point by using an isolated example. That in itself gets us nowhere.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by alexjust View Post
            Oh no, I am cornered. Jesus, man, you are pulling straws here and trying to validate a general point by using an isolated example. That in itself gets us nowhere.
            Because you already know that "at the end of the day", certain fighters simply DON'T try for knockouts. Then their fights go close and they scream robbery. But they were only close because they refused to go for a knockout.

            Lara could have sparked Castano out in 6 rounds and chose to go the distance. That was a choice he made not to go for a knockout against a guy that was no threat to him whatsoever.

            Fact of the matter is - you CHOOSE to go for knockouts or not. If you don't, and the judges decide to give it to the other guy, you have only yourself to blame.

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            • #26
              But first you must face Anthony Mundine. Isn't that mandatory for all Aussie prospects?

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              • #27
                Originally posted by revelated View Post
                Because you already know that "at the end of the day", certain fighters simply DON'T try for knockouts. Then their fights go close and they scream robbery. But they were only close because they refused to go for a knockout.

                Lara could have sparked Castano out in 6 rounds and chose to go the distance. That was a choice he made not to go for a knockout against a guy that was no threat to him whatsoever.

                Fact of the matter is - you CHOOSE to go for knockouts or not. If you don't, and the judges decide to give it to the other guy, you have only yourself to blame.

                Done.
                Who should blame yourself if you didn't go to KO, but got robbed? Like Canelo - GGG? Can you clearly state that neither went for a KO? Is being reckless the only way to show you are trying to go for a KO? You look at this through a very B&W prism. Life is grey, so is boxing. KO is always an option a fighter would take, but seeking KO as a strategy is questionable at best, a smart way to fight is to accumulate points while seeking openings rather than abandon any care for how the judges may score the fight and just look for an opening to unload a combination. This is what Whyte's strategy was, from the looks of it, when he fought Chisora the 2nd time. Or Wilder's strategy pretty much all the time. There is a reason neither Whyte nor Wilder are ranked highly on the skills ladder.

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