Best of Generation ≠ Greatest Legacy

[hugh grant]

It doesn't have to be about me ignoring records.

The two wins by Pac were like the draw. All three of those fights could have went either way.

The only definitive win of all 4 fights belongs to Marquez. I don't need to change results to make that argument.

JMM came out ahead in the series despite the record.

Stop being eccentric. Jmm said Pac is best of era

[ruedboy]

It doesn't have to be about me ignoring records.

The two wins by Pac were like the draw. All three of those fights could have went either way.

The only definitive win of all 4 fights belongs to Marquez. I don't need to change results to make that argument.

JMM came out ahead in the series despite the record.

Sorry, but he didn't. The judges had it 2-1-1.
Anything else is your opinion.
And, opinions are like earlobes, every body has a couple.

[QueensburyRules]

Well, I think folks conflate greatness, accomplishments, and ability.

You can do something that no one else will ever duplicate but that doesn't make you the best ever.

No one else is ever going to successfully go from light flyweight to jr middleweight, winning major titles in 6 different weightclasses. And it's doubtful anyone will ever win titles in 4 different decades (or maybe even 5). It's also doubtful anyone will fight in 26 title fights without ever losing.

Those are accomplishments. They indicate greatness. But, what they don't do is tell you who had the greatest ability. They don't tell you who was objectively the best.

Doc Ellis was a great pitcher who once threw a no hitter while high out of his mind on LSD.

That feat will never, ever, ever, be duplicated. However, that doesn't make Doc Ellis the best pitcher ever. When compared head to head to other pitchers, Doc Ellis comes up short.

Therefore, I would submit that, if you have come up short head to head against contemporaries you are being compared to, by definition your legacy cannot and will not be greater than theirs.

We don't consider Foreman or Frazier greater than Ali. Why? Because though all three have great accomplishments, head to head Ali came out on top.

Manny Pacquiao has that same problem with Floyd Mayweather and Juan Manuel Marquez.

You might feel what Manny did may never be duplicated, but head to head, Floyd and Juan came out on top against Manny and therefore will have greater boxing legacies.

They were better than Pacquiao.

Period.

- -Why u gotta bring U periods in this?

Manny holds all the Ring p4P records with nobody close.

Also placed 2nd between SSR and Ali as the greatest all time fighter in the largest international poll ever held with some 300-500k voters.

What grade U say U in again?

2nd?

[LoadedWraps]

How does this work.

Boxing world, meaning fighters and trainers, think they’re two different boxers. They rather be the best guy but have the record of legacy dude

Best of his era by definition has the greatest record in his time yes?

Not to me.

The best of the generation is who is the most skillful and talented imo. I put high stock in my eye test so I don't need to see the best resume to believe one is the best fighter.

I had both Lomachenko and Fury high P4P before "wins" made others do so. I know what I see in a fighter outside of a sanctioned fight.

You can also have a great resume and not be the best fighter. Matchmaking happens. Cherry picks happen. Robberies happen. Gift decisions happen. When you beat people and how you beat them matters.