Did Terence Crawford waste his prime?

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  • 4truth
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    #11
    There is still time to accomplish quite a lot but I don't sense any urgency.

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    • QueensburyRules
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      #12
      Originally posted by ShoulderRoll
      Are his best days behind him now?
      - -Why U waste U thuggery?

      U coulda been a contenda.

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        #13
        I was a fan for a long time, and after his run at 135 lbs plus unifying at 140 it looked like he had a chance to have a legendary career.

        He stopped challenging himself, though, and seems happy to just rest on those laurels now.

        Sure, it's nice to get paid millions to fight easier opponents. But in terms of his legacy the door is slowly closing.

        If he even cares about legacy.

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          #14
          Originally posted by ShoulderRoll
          I was a fan for a long time, and after his run at 135 lbs plus unifying at 140 it looked like he had a chance to have a legendary career.

          He stopped challenging himself, though, and seems happy to just rest on those laurels now.

          Sure, it's nice to get paid millions to fight easier opponents. But in terms of his legacy the door is slowly closing.

          If he even cares about legacy.
          - -Like Bud be caring about U thuggery.

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          • MUNG
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            #15
            he already said to andre ward in an interview he is already a HOF'er and I got the impression he was happy with that plus he's got some nice cash in the bank

            it's boxing setup problem that allows this stuff, top fighters sailing by each other and suddenly they get past prime, crawford will soon be that fighter in a year or two, seems ok for now

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              #16
              Originally posted by QueensburyRules
              - -Like Bud be caring about U thuggery.
              What are you even talking about? What thuggery?

              Are you capable of writing in complete sentences or stringing coherent thoughts together?

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                #17
                Originally posted by ShoulderRoll
                What are you even talking about? What thuggery?

                Are you capable of writing in complete sentences or stringing coherent thoughts together?
                Have you not encountered QRs weird brand of... whatever it is... before?

                Obscure strangeness that could possibly read as profound, witty, juvenile or nonsensical depending on what mood you're in.

                WRT to Bud, it's highly likely at this point his best days are behind him... as a skilled operator he's likely to still be able to fight at the top level for a few more years but he's generally gonna be fighting younger guys who are able to rehydrate more effectively (ie will be bigger) and his reflexes and reactions will already be on the decline... certainly he shouldn't be effing around giving up his advantages through ego. That shit will bite him on the ass cos he's not that far ahead of his peers.

                In terms of 'wasting his prime... well from a legacy standpoint he definitely could have done more in terms electing to re-sign with TR 2 years ago but bear in mind his prime could arguably claim to have begun as early a 2014 or so and certainly included him becoming undisputed Champion at 140... so... not a complete waste, I'd say, no.

                His 147 run has been very underwhelming however so his 'late' prime if you like could be considered as such perhaps... although basically aside from Canelo who can essentially pick the names he pleases, it doesn't really feel like anyone is doing anything 'great' although that's possibly just a sign of us living in cynical times (or just me becoming a lil jaded. ).
                Last edited by Citizen Koba; 08-27-2020, 01:37 PM.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Citizen Koba
                  Have you not encountered QRs weird brand of... whatever it is... before?

                  Obscure strangeness that could possibly read as profound, witty, juvenile or nonsensical depending on what mood you're in.

                  WRT to Bud, it's highly likely at this point his best days are behind him... as a skilled operator he's likely to still be able to fight at the top level for a few more years but he's generally gonna be fighting younger guys who are able to rehydrate more effectively (ie will be bigger) and his reflexes and reactions will already be on the decline... certainly he shouldn't be effing around giving up his advantages through ego. That shit will bite him on the ass cos he's not that far ahead of his peers.

                  In terms of 'wasting his prime... well from a legacy standpoint he definitely could have done more in terms electing to re-sign with TR 2 years ago but bear in mind his prime could arguably claim to have begun as early a 2014 or so and certainly included him becoming undisputed Champion at 140... so... not a complete waste, I'd say, no.

                  His 147 run has been very underwhelming however so his 'late' prime if you like could be considered as such perhaps... although basically aside from Canelo who can essentially pick the names he pleases, it doesn't really feel like anyone is doing anything 'great' although that's possibly just a sign of us living in cynical times (or just me becoming a lil jaded. ).
                  I see guys in the present day who have a slight chance at possibly being mentioned with the likes of Leonard and Hearns etc. If they would just push themselves to try to rise to that level.

                  But they become too complacent and promoters benefit from them not taking risks.

                  It gets frustrating to watch. Sort of goes against the heart of what being a fighter is supposed to be all about.

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                    #19
                    Needs to hurry up.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by ShoulderRoll
                      I see guys in the present day who have a slight chance at possibly being mentioned with the likes of Leonard and Hearns etc. If they would just push themselves to try to rise to that level.

                      But they become too complacent and promoters benefit from them not taking risks.

                      It gets frustrating to watch. Sort of goes against the heart of what being a fighter is supposed to be all about.

                      Oh the talent ain't lacking for sure... the fab four were undoubtedly all elite fighters but in a direct H2H sense I'm firmly of the belief that the best of any era would be basically competitive with the best from any other after accounting for the ways the sport has changed over time. No, the reasons for the decline in the 'greatness' of fighters - or our perception thereof - lies elsewhere I think. Partly maybe it's just simply that boxings not as popular as it was, boxers are no longer household names and the same aura of excitement no longer pervades the public conciousness... that's gonna effect how we rate stuff even subconciously.

                      Also purses and financial risks - much as we like to talk about legacy, the greats of the past were every bit as concerned about the bottom line as the fighters of today... it's just for most of 'em the only way to come close to real wealth was to be at the very top of their profession and to fight the very best. Now in the popular divisions you got dudes - like Crawford, but also many others - who can make $$$ millions irrespective of who the y fight... now I'm in favour of fighters getting well rewarded for their endeavours, but I believe one consequence is precisely what we're seeing. Why risk upsetting the gravy train when you can just ride it into the sunset and retire with $$$ mils in the bank?

                      Another factor may be just what we're doing now, over-analysis, familiarity... was a time when it was a special event and fighters were seen as special people, unique, somehow set apart... but on here we see 'em trashed, insulted, demeaned every day, their accomplishments diminshed and their opponents sleighted ... we see their foolishness laid bare on social media, their dirty linen washed in public. Maybe familiarity breeds contempt, if just subconciously?


                      Anyways, just a thought... I'm sure there's plenty other reasons we could all think of too.

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