DAZN/ pbc

[Curt Henning]

I dont think you are really fair about it.
The corona virus is what is called a black swan, an extreme rare and unpredictable event.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Swan:_The_Impact_of_the_Highly_Improbable

Im not someone who is deep into the business aspect of boxing, so I might be wrong. But I had the impression that DAZN did fairly well before the Coronavirus hit.

They had good fights, a decent stable, management was satisfied with the growth numbers and they were about to expand into a a lot of new territories (which is also a sign that they had confidence in their growth).

But Coronavirus came along. A subscription based model that depends on live sport events is unfortunately one of the worst model you could have during a pandemic.

They couldnt offer anything and therefore cant retain their subscribers, but the more difficult part now is to get those subscribers back while not being able to offer big fights yet.

they had canelo in fights that everyone was basically ripping...i guess if we discount the jacobs fight...they still hadnt gotten canelo/golovkin 3....andrade vs bums...farmer who they were pushing got beat...they got insanely lucky that AJ/ruiz 1 ended the way it did because it build alot of interest in the rematch which ******...but no one was very into the first fight...they got sorta lucky......they might have been doing ok...but they werent building any huge momentum with amazing fights

when you think about it...canelo haters constantly crap on his fights...look at how they talked about him fighting kovalev....also golovkin haters dont talk too kindly about his comp either......who is andrade fighting thats blowing people out of the water? how about AJ? take away the intrigue after AJ getting beat to a pulp by ruiz for the rematch and there isnt much interest in his fights either?

theyve had some decent fights..like golovkin/chenko...canelo/jacobs...but with the fighters and their budget they havent made a ton of great ones....theyve had a few other under the radar, good/solid, fights....but nothing that the competition isnt doing

[rickJen]

Don't know if Luis Ortiz is retired, but I still want to see him face the likes of Martin, Ruiz, Kownacki, Joyce or even Arreola. Or how about Martin vs Ruiz, Kownacki vs Ruiz, etc.? Seems when they sign up with PBC they become showcase fighters first, line up cans.

Martin and Kownacki had their showcases in their last fights.
Kownacki's fight turned into a disastrous upset leaving the Polish
into limbo, not knowing whether to retire or start from scratch.

[Fanofreason]

PBC is the root of all what made many fans shied away from the sport.
Remember Garcia vs Salka? LSC vs sparring partners, Lara fighting cans and a host of crap essentially lining up bums after bums for Haymon's fighters?
I figured this guy is just happy to showcase fights.
That's how it all started.
Then when the funds were depleted, inactivity began to crept in.
Fighters fighting once a year, even more.

Even now most of them are rarely seen in the ring.
You can count many of them without fights scheduled.
You'd wonder why Haymon won't just let them go and leave the sport.

It's the reason why DAZN boxing existed in the first place.

Do you remember Thurman be Garcia on network tv. Thurman vs Porter on network tv.

Dazn has had 1 PPv level fight in Canelo for Jacobs.

They split the sport 3 ways. As soon as Dazn is gone the better for the sport.

[Curt Henning]

im supposed to remember garcia/salka but forget about andrade/keeler...lol

[asgarth]

now its "not being fair" because of the corona virus..lol....ahhhh....

but if DAZN was surviving amidst it and the pbc was in shambles and possibly on the verge of shutting down wed look the other way or come up with some excuse wouldnt we? of course we would!

ahhh the ole crumbling, about to fail, pbc has certain luxuries that DAZN doesnt? ahhh...how convenient....didnt stop you from predicting its downfall before a pandemic though huh?

Who is we? There are certainly some dazn fanboys, as well as pbc fanboys, but those are a loud minority.
I am not one of them. Dont know why you project those statements ("PBC goes out of business, never make good fights") to everyone who doesnt agree with you.

Objectively, DAZN would not be close to in this position right now if it wasnt for the pandemic. And I dont have to be a DAZN fanboy or a PBC-hater to come to that conclusion.

[Curt Henning]

Who is we? There are certainly some dazn fanboys, as well as pbc fanboys, but those are a loud minority.
I am not one of them. Dont know why you project those statements ("PBC goes out of business, never make good fights") to everyone who doesnt agree with you.

Objectively, DAZN would not be close to in this position right now if it wasnt for the pandemic. And I dont have to be a DAZN fanboy or a PBC-hater to come to that conclusion.

how are you certain? theyve been overpaying just about everyone!

they paid jacobs 13 mil as an opponent...they paid chenko way more money than hes worth as an opponent...look at what they paid for garcia/vargas........theyve been overpaying basically everyone! theyre overpaying golovkin...even canelo...and they still cant get andrade a decent fight....wheres golovkin/canelo 3?

why are the pbc willing to do charlo ppvs..and tank davis ppvs.....but DAZN is on life support....why are we getting lopez/loma but DAZN seems to be dying

the statements i project are addressing that loud "minority" that is more like a majority...even some who claim to not be a part of that "minority" are they just cant admit it.....so maybe you arent...thats cool....its all good...im not worried about whether or not you are part of it or arent.....but that minority makes up a large part of the population here...

maybe if DAZN had put away a few bucks they could be putting on good fights..instead they went hard with their budget....trying to come in like some tour de force and likely burnt themselves out a bit.....make no mistake...theyd be in trouble without a pandemic and many thought it could happen way before this started

[bballchump11]

Yeah it was clear cognitive bias from people who probably just wanted to see Haymon fail and the snake oil salesman from the UK win.

[koolkc107]

DAZN was not doing well- at least in the US- before the pandemic.

Their subscription rate was trash here and their business model needed large influxes of cash while they carved out a market share.

The problem is that even before the pandemic, getting subscribers was going to be difficult since DAZN didn't have exclusive rights to the major sports popular with US fans. And since boxing is a niche sport in the US, it was (and is) a bad idea to hitch your hopes of getting subscribers mainly off such a sport.

As long as DAZN keeps getting cash infusions, it will survive. But, right now, it's model is failing big time.

[asgarth]

how are you certain? theyve been overpaying just about everyone!

they paid jacobs 13 mil as an opponent...they paid chenko way more money than hes worth as an opponent...look at what they paid for garcia/vargas........theyve been overpaying basically everyone! theyre overpaying golovkin...even canelo...and they still cant get andrade a decent fight....wheres golovkin/canelo 3?

why are the pbc willing to do charlo ppvs..and tank davis ppvs.....but DAZN is on life support....why are we getting lopez/loma but DAZN seems to be dying

the statements i project are addressing that loud "minority" that is more like a majority...even some who claim to not be a part of that "minority" are they just cant admit it.....so maybe you arent...thats cool....its all good...im not worried about whether or not you are part of it or arent.....but that minority makes up a large part of the population here...

maybe if DAZN had put away a few bucks they could be putting on good fights..instead they went hard with their budget....trying to come in like some tour de force and likely burnt themselves out a bit.....make no mistake...theyd be in trouble without a pandemic and many thought it could happen way before this started

I am not certain, because I dont really follow the boxing business aspect. They had to pay a premium to get those fights. It ****** because everyone started to demand ridiculous purses as a result. But It was needed to convince fighters to fight on a new platform which hasnt establish itself yet.

People were also saying that PBC was overpaying fighters, but that was also calculated in order to sign the best fighters (and put competitors out of business).

I still base my opinion on DAZN trying to expand big time right before the virus hit. They wouldnt have done that if the numbers didnt match it at all.

https://media.dazn.com/en/press-releases/2020/03/dazn-expanding-to-more-than-200-countries-territories/

[bballchump11]

The pandemic really hurt them, but all it did was speed up the inevitable.