Comments Thread For: Judging The Judges: Romero-Marinez Scorecard Analysis

[Squ□redCircle34]

Marinez has to go for the knockout next time!

Stop all that flappy jab crap, go in there to put the hurting on Rolly and get him outta there!

This should be more of a wake up call for trainers with fighters who are the clear cut B side!

Train your guys for 15 rounds so that they have the stamina an output and strength to push for the stoppage!

If I was a trainer training a clear cut B side, I would have the S&C coach basically train my guy for a high velocity fight and wanting to make sure he has enough reserves in the tank to push for the KO especially late!

[ruedboy]

Scoring is boxing's Achilles' heel because it will always be subjective. One judge might have a bias for an aggressive come forward boxer while another might favor a defensive counterpuncher.
Also judges never have to explain their scoring or justify it, so even if the fight isn't a blatant robbery, it's still true that "The only fair decision in boxing is a KO."

[KayoKid77]

To Be Expected

As long as networks like Showtime continue to enable these bogus 3rd-World sanctioning bodies to exist by televising their "title" bouts, their pervasive stench over boxing will continue.

[theface07]

rematch for what? reverse the decision. make those judges sit in front of a commission and have them justify each round scored while re-watching the fight.

but who cares this is so common in boxing people were predicting the robbery before fight ended

this sht is just normal

Yes and if fans like yourself say who cares and this is normal like they are expecting corruption and/or incompetence from pro judges, nothing will change. This is totally unacceptable and would not be tolerated in any non-combat sports. I don't care how many times things like this happen, it isn't right and needs to be rectified. The lives and careers of pro boxers are at stake. This should not get swept under the rug and quickly forgotten like the countless other ridiculously bad decisions that have marred boxing over the years.
Forget about getting the judges to explain their scorecards. They are experienced judges. There is nothing to explain. There's no way to justify having Romero ahead at the end of 12 rounds. It wasn't even close. They knew exactly what they were doing. Either they are too old, senile and thus incompetent or they are straight up compromised by accepting dirty money to make sure the fix was in. The chances of all three judges being too old and senile are slim to none. In all likelihood this was pure corruption. They all need to be banned for life. They are scum and should not be allowed to ruin anyone else's life.

[theface07]

Scoring is boxing's Achilles' heel because it will always be subjective. One judge might have a bias for an aggressive come forward boxer while another might favor a defensive counterpuncher.

It sounds like you're trying to justify their erroneous score cards. Pathetic. This is NOT a case of "Well scoring is subjective so....blah blah blah". This was an EASY fight to score. You don't have to be an expert or experienced judge to see that. Romero won 2 rounds clearly and was in maybe 2 other rounds. That's it. Anyone who gave Romero more than 5 rounds either doesn't know what they're watching or is corrupt and compromised. End of story.
Stop trying to make excuses for these phony clowns who pass as professional judges.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Marinez has to go for the knockout next time!

Stop all that flappy jab crap, go in there to put the hurting on Rolly and get him outta there!

This should be more of a wake up call for trainers with fighters who are the clear cut B side!

Train your guys for 15 rounds so that they have the stamina an output and strength to push for the stoppage!

If I was a trainer training a clear cut B side, I would have the S&C coach basically train my guy for a high velocity fight and wanting to make sure he has enough reserves in the tank to push for the KO especially late!

He didn't have to go specifically for a knockout. But his workrate was not sufficient.

There's just no reason why the punch counts should be that close. And the percentage landed wasn't far off. That means Marinez wasn't as effective as people saw from their faulty view.

I'm telling you what I saw, which is that Marinez needed to be busier, period. Because the guy in front of him looked more like he actually wanted a win.

[Bandman]

Yes and if fans like yourself say who cares and this is normal like they are expecting corruption and/or incompetence from pro judges, nothing will change. This is totally unacceptable and would not be tolerated in any non-combat sports. I don't care how many times things like this happen, it isn't right and needs to be rectified. The lives and careers of pro boxers are at stake. This should not get swept under the rug and quickly forgotten like the countless other ridiculously bad decisions that have marred boxing over the years.
Forget about getting the judges to explain their scorecards. They are experienced judges. There is nothing to explain. There's no way to justify having Romero ahead at the end of 12 rounds. It wasn't even close. They knew exactly what they were doing. Either they are too old, senile and thus incompetent or they are straight up compromised by accepting dirty money to make sure the fix was in. The chances of all three judges being too old and senile are slim to none. In all likelihood this was pure corruption. They all need to be banned for life. They are scum and should not be allowed to ruin anyone else's life.

Im saying who cares meaning history tells us nothing will be done. do you remember Brandon Rios vs Richard Abril? that decision in my opinion was ten times more rotten than this (imagine that) and absolutely nothing happened as a result of the outrage. it was so bad I've been searching for that fight footage for over 3 years and can't find it. Boxing is a rotten sport.

[illpapi]

He didn't have to go specifically for a knockout. But his workrate was not sufficient.

There's just no reason why the punch counts should be that close. And the percentage landed wasn't far off. That means Marinez wasn't as effective as people saw from their faulty view.

I'm telling you what I saw, which is that Marinez needed to be busier, period. Because the guy in front of him looked more like he actually wanted a win.

I'm not sure I understand. There are a lot of guys that show that they want to win but wanting to win and actually winning are two completely different things.
Look, I'm with the people that say that this bs needs to stop. It's easy for some of us fans to sweep this under the rug and move on to the next fight. I don't think it's so easy for fighters who sacrifice their lives and family to try and make a living only to have the rug pulled from under them like that. That has to hurt. If we as fan can feel it just imagine what it must mean to the actual fighters.
I'm sorry but it's true that it's part of the reason why boxing has been dying because things like this leave a real bad taste in your mouth and it just discourages you.
Think about it. Would you go into a fight if you were told that there were judges but that if it went the distance most likely the guy with the most connections would get the nod? Nah, you wouldn't and rightly so. Let's stop with the excuses to justify what is wrong. It is either wrong or right. There is no gray area in most of these fights, period.

[Combat Talk Radio]

I'm not sure I understand. There are a lot of guys that show that they want to win but wanting to win and actually winning are two completely different things.
Look, I'm with the people that say that this bs needs to stop. It's easy for some of us fans to sweep this under the rug and move on to the next fight. I don't think it's so easy for fighters who sacrifice their lives and family to try and make a living only to have the rug pulled from under them like that. That has to hurt. If we as fan can feel it just imagine what it must mean to the actual fighters.
I'm sorry but it's true that it's part of the reason why boxing has been dying because things like this leave a real bad taste in your mouth and it just discourages you.
Think about it. Would you go into a fight if you were told that there were judges but that if it went the distance most likely the guy with the most connections would get the nod? Nah, you wouldn't and rightly so. Let's stop with the excuses to justify what is wrong. It is either wrong or right. There is no gray area in most of these fights, period.

You hear it all the time.

"TAKE IT FROM THE CHAMP!!!" (which is BS) - yet judges gladly will score for the champion if the challenger is barely trying. Because they agree with that crap.

If the B-Side doesn't act like they want to actually win the fight, the judges will see the same thing.

Marinez was not active enough, period. He showed very little urgency. Nobody here can tell me that guy showed them a desire to win the fight.

What happened here is, Marinez saw he was making Rolly miss and figured he didn't need to step on the gas. That was a mistake. Why?

You also hear, "DON'T LEAVE IT TO THE JUDGES!" Yet fighters repeatedly ignore this advice and then whine afterwards. Erislandy Lara is notorious for it - why do you think he has draws and losses? It's the same damn thing as Marinez, Lara does the bare basic every time. You can't do that.

Judges want a FIGHT. They want to see that one guy is actually proving they're better than the other guy, and the way you DON'T do that is to sit there staring at your opponent like Marinez did on quite a few occasions.

I know people here don't like it. But you KNOW what I'm saying is true.

[daggum]

You hear it all the time.

"TAKE IT FROM THE CHAMP!!!" (which is BS) - yet judges gladly will score for the champion if the challenger is barely trying. Because they agree with that crap.

If the B-Side doesn't act like they want to actually win the fight, the judges will see the same thing.

Marinez was not active enough, period. He showed very little urgency. Nobody here can tell me that guy showed them a desire to win the fight.

What happened here is, Marinez saw he was making Rolly miss and figured he didn't need to step on the gas. That was a mistake. Why?

You also hear, "DON'T LEAVE IT TO THE JUDGES!" Yet fighters repeatedly ignore this advice and then whine afterwards. Erislandy Lara is notorious for it - why do you think he has draws and losses? It's the same damn thing as Marinez, Lara does the bare basic every time. You can't do that.

[B]Judges want a FIGHT. [/B] They want to see that one guy is actually proving they're better than the other guy, and the way you DON'T do that is to sit there staring at your opponent like Marinez did on quite a few occasions.

I know people here don't like it. But you KNOW what I'm saying is true.

like ward proved he was better against kovalev? proved he was a better wrestler perhaps but kovalev landed most of the clean punches and ward couldnt really compete on a boxing level. like canelo against ggg in the first fight refusing to engage? judges want to get more gigs. the way you get more gigs is by proving you can be trusted. they suck and they suck on purpose because there is more going on then just judging a boxing match