Comments Thread For: Lomachenko-Lopez - Deal Reached For October, Team Lopez is Pumped

[R-Hand Southpaw]

Absolutely. He deserves a Gold Medal. He beat all the odds. I don't want to see them split, but it appears to me that Lopez, Jr., in his own way, looked forward to having this fight pushed out. I think he was relieved with the possibility of a title defense.

But there was so much pressure built up for this fight, and with Loma forking over some money to get him in the ring, and with his dad doing so much talking about how he'll walk through Loma, he was locked in, with no ability to escape.

I mean, there's that part of him that wants to take this fight now, and he's obviously signed the deal for this fight already, but I believe Lopez, Jr. felt a tremendous relief when it was possible for his being able to fight someone other than Loma. He liked the possibility of being able to revisit the Loma fight in another year or so. I think that if he could have chosen that option without any repercussion, from the public and Top Rank, he would have gladly gone that route. And part of that reason is just due to the pandemic putting his life (and just about everyone else) in a state of upheaval.

Anyway, the father has all my respect for the love he has for his son and all the exceptional work he's done to bring him to where he is now.

I just think that they've bit off more than they can chew with Lomachenko, and it's going to have a negative effect on Teofimo Lopez, Jr.'s career. Because let's face it, almost everyone who's fought Lomachenko has been relegated to the nether regions of boxing, especially if they lose in fantastic fashion.

I think this is right too. Its easy to hold out and fight less competition in hopes you get better while hoping Loma older.

The problem is maybe he wouldn't get that Loma fight then because he's already complained about the difficulty of making 135.

Plus there are guys at 140 I don't think Teo can beat right now.

So...hes truly stuck.

Top Rank has Ramirez at 140 and maybe soon he moves to 147. That gives Teo an opportunity but whens that?

[Cypocryphy]

I think this is right too. Its easy to hold out and fight less competition in hopes you get better while hoping Loma older.

The problem is maybe he wouldn't get that Loma fight then because he's already complained about the difficulty of making 135.

Plus there are guys at 140 I don't think Teo can beat right now.

So...hes truly stuck.

Top Rank has Ramirez at 140 and maybe soon he moves to 147. That gives Teo an opportunity but whens that?

Yeah. I agree. He has no guarantee of wining a fight, here on out. No more lower-tier fighters. But I think that's the problem for most champions. You have to fight the challengers and don't necessarily get the benefit of matchmaker magic.

Well, I guess if he goes up to 140, then .... Would he fight Ramirez or Taylor? I guess if he beats Lomachenko, which I personally believe is near impossible for him, he'd be able to make a title challenge. It would probably be Ramirez.(I think Ramirez is with Top Rank?) If he loses, then he'll be fighting through the ranks. Lopez, Jr. vs Prograis?That would be a good fight.

I think he's exceptional, and I do think he can cause problems for anyone in 140. But ....

I'll tell you this: Right now. Today. Lopez Jr. weighs 151 pounds. So, let me think .... Wasn't it about June, late June and early July that Teofimo weighed 160 pounds? So he's lost nine pounds in about a month and a half, maybe two months? Is that when he started fat camp?

I mean that's a heck of a lot of weight to lose in two months. But he has two more months to lose 16 more pounds. WTF?! Dude ... this guy is going to go into the fight like a damn zombie.

Man ... I change my prediction; Lomachenko is going to knock Lopez, Jr. the **** out. There will be no RTD. It's going to be a face plant on canvass.

[R-Hand Southpaw]

Yeah. I agree. He has no guarantee of wining a fight, here on out. No more lower-tier fighters. But I think that's the problem for most champions. You have to fight the challengers and don't necessarily get the benefit of matchmaker magic.

Well, I guess if he goes up to 140, then .... Would he fight Ramirez or Taylor? I guess if he beats Lomachenko, which I personally believe is near impossible for him, he'd be able to make a title challenge. It would probably be Ramirez.(I think Ramirez is with Top Rank?) If he loses, then he'll be fighting through the ranks. Lopez, Jr. vs Prograis?That would be a good fight.

I think he's exceptional, and I do think he can cause problems for anyone in 140. But ....

I'll tell you this: Right now. Today. Lopez Jr. weighs 151 pounds. So, let me think .... Wasn't it about June, late June and early July that Teofimo weighed 160 pounds? So he's lost nine pounds in about a month and a half, maybe two months? Is that when he started fat camp?

I mean that's a heck of a lot of weight to lose in two months. But he has two more months to lose 16 more pounds. WTF?! Dude ... this guy is going to go into the fight like a damn zombie.

Man ... I change my prediction; Lomachenko is going to knock Lopez, Jr. the **** out. There will be no RTD. It's going to be a face plant on canvass.

Yep. I've seen some videos here and there where he's been talking and he's looking pretty big. Guys saying he's huge now which is going to be nothing but detrimental.

Its like all the Wilder fanboys who thought if Wilder bulked up against Fury 2 that he would perform better.

No chance. But again those guys don't know **** about boxing.

Same case here.

Hes definitely not going to outbox lomachenko so his best chance is to come out swinging. But in his only 12 round fight the pace was slow and im not saying he's was winded but his gas tank did not look elite.

Consider the drain that hes going to feel. I dont understand the narrative where they claim Lopez is way bigger than Loma. I think even Crolla may have been bigger than Lopez and Linares and Campbell were much bigger.

Sure. Hes a natural 135 but no where near the stature of the other guys.

I think Lomachenko will drag this out as long as possible and deal out the maximum damage. Not being a fanboy but I think the skill gap is so big Lomachenko could keep hitting Teo until Senior is forced to throw the towel in.

See loma vs sosa

I personally can not see how this fight will be close at ALL. I can't even see Lopez winning one round and hardly anyone wins rounds against Loma.

[h2k]

There should be a strict PED tesing. Both guys a very su****ious and should be strictly tested.

[Cypocryphy]

Yep. I've seen some videos here and there where he's been talking and he's looking pretty big. Guys saying he's huge now which is going to be nothing but detrimental.

Its like all the Wilder fanboys who thought if Wilder bulked up against Fury 2 that he would perform better.

No chance. But again those guys don't know **** about boxing.

Same case here.

Hes definitely not going to outbox lomachenko so his best chance is to come out swinging. But in his only 12 round fight the pace was slow and im not saying he's was winded but his gas tank did not look elite.

Consider the drain that hes going to feel. I dont understand the narrative where they claim Lopez is way bigger than Loma. I think even Crolla may have been bigger than Lopez and Linares and Campbell were much bigger.

Sure. Hes a natural 135 but no where near the stature of the other guys.

I think Lomachenko will drag this out as long as possible and deal out the maximum damage. Not being a fanboy but I think the skill gap is so big Lomachenko could keep hitting Teo until Senior is forced to throw the towel in.

See loma vs sosa

I personally can not see how this fight will be close at ALL. I can't even see Lopez winning one round and hardly anyone wins rounds against Loma.

Hah. Yeah, that Sosa fight. I should watch that again. Actually, Berchelt destroyed Sosa not too long ago. Personally, I think Berchelt will be Loma's hardest fight. I want to see that one.

And Wilder bulking up was a mistake. That guy looks as if he's skipped leg day for the last decade or more. He's so top heavy compared to his legs. Honestly, I don't think anything was going to save him fro that "L." He honestly reminded me of some fights back in high school, where those guys getting whooped would throw their arms out in some weird attempt to simultaneously block and push the other guy away. You know what I mean? It's as if Wilder's brain just stopped working and he forgot everything he learned in boxing. It was weird. He's getting a beat down, and he doesn't raise his arms to block, stuck his chin out, would just stand like a zombie while within Fury's striking distance. Maybe it's true that with Fury being the bully this time, it just short-circuited Wilder's brain. He literally looked like a deer in the headlights the whole time after he was first knocked down. Crazy fight.

I think that Lopez most reminds me of James Toney. But Toney was a better boxer. But style wise, he's closes to Toney. Toney was more of that Philly fighter while Lopez is modeled after the Michigan fighters we saw out of Detroit. I'm curious how he learned to fight like the Michigan guys. I know his dad trained him but it's interesting that he's pretty much a Michigan style fighter but trained in Florida most of his life.

Anyway, let's see here. I might have been too hasty. Should be losing 2 lbs a week. So if he had two months, he should be down by 16 pounds but he's only lost nine. He should, at the very least be down 12 pounds. So he's having problems losing the weight.

With two months to go, he'll be lucky if he makes weight at the rate he's going because the closer he gets to 135, the harder it's gong to be. He'll also be losing the weight as he trains and spars. That's not too good. I mean, he could get down to about 140 or so before the week leading up to the fight. So he's behind the eight ball right now.

God. I don't know man. He really should have watched what he was eating. I bet you this is another reason for wanting to push the fight out to next year.

[R-Hand Southpaw]

Hah. Yeah, that Sosa fight. I should watch that again. Actually, Berchelt destroyed Sosa not too long ago. Personally, I think Berchelt will be Loma's hardest fight. I want to see that one.

And Wilder bulking up was a mistake. That guy looks as if he's skipped leg day for the last decade or more. He's so top heavy compared to his legs. Honestly, I don't think anything was going to save him fro that "L." He honestly reminded me of some fights back in high school, where those guys getting whooped would throw their arms out in some weird attempt to simultaneously block and push the other guy away. You know what I mean? It's as if Wilder's brain just stopped working and he forgot everything he learned in boxing. It was weird. He's getting a beat down, and he doesn't raise his arms to block, stuck his chin out, would just stand like a zombie while within Fury's striking distance. Maybe it's true that with Fury being the bully this time, it just short-circuited Wilder's brain. He literally looked like a deer in the headlights the whole time after he was first knocked down. Crazy fight.

I think that Lopez most reminds me of James Toney. But Toney was a better boxer. But style wise, he's closes to Toney. Toney was more of that Philly fighter while Lopez is modeled after the Michigan fighters we saw out of Detroit. I'm curious how he learned to fight like the Michigan guys. I know his dad trained him but it's interesting that he's pretty much a Michigan style fighter but trained in Florida most of his life.

Anyway, let's see here. I might have been too hasty. Should be losing 2 lbs a week. So if he had two months, he should be down by 16 pounds but he's only lost nine. He should, at the very least be down 12 pounds. So he's having problems losing the weight.

With two months to go, he'll be lucky if he makes weight at the rate he's going because the closer he gets to 135, the harder it's gong to be. He'll also be losing the weight as he trains and spars. That's not too good. I mean, he could get down to about 140 or so before the week leading up to the fight. So he's behind the eight ball right now.

God. I don't know man. He really should have watched what he was eating. I bet you this is another reason for wanting to push the fight out to next year.

Toney also had pretty good defense and transitioned smooth from defense to offense. Teo isnt quite there yet in terms of transition/effectiveness.

Also Teo seems to want to heavily rely on this defensive tactic early. I remember during the Nakatani fight I think it was Timothy Bradley screaming for teo to quit using the shell and save it for later in the fight when he was in control.

As a guy who has always been on the bigger guy his whole life that losing weight ain't easy and when you need to cut water it's going to affect you. I agree that he will need to be around 140 if not under by fight week because if he needs to cut quickly the final week its guaranteed to affect him. I think hes not just going to lean out by losing fat but hes gonna be cutting into muscle.

I dont think this makes the difference but he definitely didn't do himself any favors. Lomachenko stays in shape year round. I dont think he could make 126 anymore but 130 without too much struggle.

Maybe Teos dad had a favorite fighter or trained in that style. Who knows. Myself I've incorporated a lot of Lomachenko style elements to my own boxing style. I actually learned to increase my punch accuracy in both hands by switching to South paw and trading some **** for movement. Im no pro though, just a guy who boxes recreational lol.

With a wilder I think that he learned a bad habit and didn't need to change it because of his physical gifts.

When he was being hit he did look like a deer in headlights because sgainst most of his opponents they've lacked the reach advantage so Wilder was always safe.

Think of how you can use a jab to measure distance. If wilder put is arms straight out in defense 9.5/10 times he'll touch the opponent before they can land clean on him.

Problem became that Fury has more reach. Couldnt stop furys size or length.

[R-Hand Southpaw]

Hah. Yeah, that Sosa fight. I should watch that again. Actually, Berchelt destroyed Sosa not too long ago. Personally, I think Berchelt will be Loma's hardest fight. I want to see that one.

I think Berchelt would be a really good fight 130 or 135.

Personally i think Berchelt is probably a harder puncher than Teo. Hes not as explosive but he throws bricks. His punches are kinda loopy. Maybe like GGG?

Definitely a different style for Loma for sure. I think Berchelt can also box pretty well when he choses to be patient.

If loma is going to win hes going to have to get in and not force mid range exchanges. He will also have to take advantage of those loopy punches and the fact Berchelt keeps his chin so damn high.

Tank Davis and Devin Haney probably won't be taking this fight anytime soon so maybe Berchelt/Loma early 2021?

[Cypocryphy]

Toney also had pretty good defense and transitioned smooth from defense to offense. Teo isnt quite there yet in terms of transition/effectiveness.

Also Teo seems to want to heavily rely on this defensive tactic early. I remember during the Nakatani fight I think it was Timothy Bradley screaming for teo to quit using the shell and save it for later in the fight when he was in control.

As a guy who has always been on the bigger guy his whole life that losing weight ain't easy and when you need to cut water it's going to affect you. I agree that he will need to be around 140 if not under by fight week because if he needs to cut quickly the final week its guaranteed to affect him. I think hes not just going to lean out by losing fat but hes gonna be cutting into muscle.

I dont think this makes the difference but he definitely didn't do himself any favors. Lomachenko stays in shape year round. I dont think he could make 126 anymore but 130 without too much struggle.

Maybe Teos dad had a favorite fighter or trained in that style. Who knows. Myself I've incorporated a lot of Lomachenko style elements to my own boxing style. I actually learned to increase my punch accuracy in both hands by switching to South paw and trading some **** for movement. Im no pro though, just a guy who boxes recreational lol.

With a wilder I think that he learned a bad habit and didn't need to change it because of his physical gifts.

When he was being hit he did look like a deer in headlights because sgainst most of his opponents they've lacked the reach advantage so Wilder was always safe.

Think of how you can use a jab to measure distance. If wilder put is arms straight out in defense 9.5/10 times he'll touch the opponent before they can land clean on him.

Problem became that Fury has more reach. Couldnt stop furys size or length.

Ha! That's cool about incorporating Loma's style. Personally, I think that it's kind of hard to do that. It's really easy to get off balance when trying to emulate his footwork. But I'm not really sparring anyone and I might not ever again. I need to get back into shape before I even think about that. This CORONA event has left me out of shape. Plus, I need to find a new gym. I'm actually getting ready to make my own home gym, although I think it would be nice to go back to the gym again. I love the eye candy

About Wilder, yeah he has a long reach, but I personally think that people were scared of him and gave him too much respect. Also, he's big and strong, so that makes it hard to do what Fury did (I think ... cause not too many have tried that approach, maybe for fear of getting clipped)

I wonder if there's an interview about how he trained Teofimo? I'd be interested in that. He did do a fantastic job training him. Teofimo has very very good technique. Because of that and that he's a natural fighter, this would be an easy fight for Loma. Regardless, I still think he's going to KO Teofimo or getting him to quit on the stool.

[Cypocryphy]

I think Berchelt would be a really good fight 130 or 135.

Personally i think Berchelt is probably a harder puncher than Teo. Hes not as explosive but he throws bricks. His punches are kinda loopy. Maybe like GGG?

Definitely a different style for Loma for sure. I think Berchelt can also box pretty well when he choses to be patient.

If loma is going to win hes going to have to get in and not force mid range exchanges. He will also have to take advantage of those loopy punches and the fact Berchelt keeps his chin so damn high.

Tank Davis and Devin Haney probably won't be taking this fight anytime soon so maybe Berchelt/Loma early 2021?

Yeah. I actually think Teofimo hits harder because he's a KO highlight reel. And I say this because Berchelt throws much more than Teofimo. Teofimo doesn't really throw that many. He's more about timing and placement. So Teofimo gets guys out of there with much fewer punches.

And Gennady has a lot better technique than Berchelt, IMO. Berchelt doesn't hit has hard as Teofimo; however, his sheer volume of punches probably does more damage overall. It's also hard to fight a guy like that, one that just comes forward like a runaway train.

Actually, thinking about it, I believe Vasyl would make short work of Berchelt. I say this because of his footwork and movement. The key to Berchelt is to not stand in front of him, and that's what Lomachenko is good at. Also, Berchelt doesn't have the best defense, so he'd have a hard time hitting Lomachenko and would be easy for Loma to hit. I'd still want to see that fight, however.

[The Big Dunn]

So youre just gonna take that L huh? Great.

And I knew it. I just knew you were one of those guys who would say Lomachenko gave up the WBC title to duck Haney.

Lmfao. You think you're so slick.

So after Lomachenko beats Lopez and he calls out Haney to finish his belt collection youre gonna give Haney a pass when he says no?

Lmfao!

Then pull the exact same **** you are with Tank. Haney is young, he dont need Lomachenko.

But Lomachenko is also ducking Haney. Lmfaooooooooo.

You can't make this **** up.

Again you can’t have it both ways. In taking the franchise/ emeritus title Loma knowingly wouldn’t have to make his defense against Haney.

Why does pointing out what happened make me trying to be slick?

I am not a child like you and others. I don’t talk in terms off “ducking”. If a boxer avoids fighting another boxer I point out when it’s done and why.

Tank and Haney are 2 different boxers, managed by 2 different teams, and are in completely different situations relative to Loma.

Tank is the bigger draw but a smaller, short armed fighter With less speed and athleticism that I have posted numerous times (ask any Tank fan) that can’t beat Loma right now. That imo is why Floyd and Haymon will wait the fight out as long as possible until Loma is older.

Haney is taller, longer reach, heavier, faster and as athletic if not more athletic fighter who had the attributes to make it very difficult for Loma. Not guaranteeing he will win but it will be a great style matchup.

The other major difference-Loma didn’t make a move ( and then get caught lying that he didn’t know) to not make his mandatory fight against Tank as he did Haney.

Sorry dude you can’t change what happened. Call out Loma like you did Canelo.