Comments Thread For: Loma's Manager: We Want Lopez, If Not Him - Then Maybe We'll Fight Verdejo

[Goldie]

Negative.

B-Side fighters are paid based on the terms of the A-Side, who is the star that brings eyes to the fight.

Teofimo is an 'eye test' fighter with a small fanbase of hardcores.

Lomachenko is an 'eye test' fighter with a large fanbase of hardcores.

Loma brings more eyes.

Teo stands to double his largest check.

I say it's fair and he's getting bad advice.

What I don't get, is if Teo makes unreasonable money demands, why NSB is turning on him so bad, yet when Crawford (another 'eye test' for hardcores) makes unrealistic, unreasonable, undeserved money demands, he gets supported?

It's a business. Guys can ask for what they want, but ultimately will only get what they deserve and need to learn their place as B-Side, like Golovkin eventually did.

Loma doesn’t have a particularly large fan base. In fact, when comparing their tv numbers Loma’s top fights only did marginally better and that’s with a sht load more promotion/hype in the media. If the purse split was based on how many viewers each fighter attracts, the split would be much more balanced.

I never said anything about racial slurs being equal. Negative racial comments are not appropriate on these boards whether it is using the N word or KKK references or wet-back references other belittling statements to groups!

Clearly you’re not too smart because you just did what you’re denying doing. Once again, you just made an (false)equivalence between using kkk and ni**er. Referring to suspected racist fans as kkk is not a “negative racial comment”. Believing a specific group of people of having a racial agenda doesn’t malign a whole race. All whites aren’t irrational loma fans with racial agendas. You’re basically saying that calling out loma fans who we think are motivated by race is “not appropriate”.

And I don't approve of someone referring to Loma fans using the KKK reference anymore than any other racial slurs on this site - it will not be tolerated. Using Loma fans in the same sentence as KKK IS a racial inference that doesn't belong on these boards, period.

Again, you expose yourself as a pathetic liar. Here you are trying to make kkk a slur. The *** is a “racial inference”? What are you even talking about? KKK is not a slur and referring to some loma fans who post here as kkk is not an offense to all whites.

You’re playing the same false equivalence game that a lot of white supremacists play. Y’ALL(Couldn’t care less about you crying about being lumped in because you’ve lumped yourself in) try to equate blacks calling out racism with whites being racist. It’s the oldest trick in the white supremacist book. When MLK was alive, most whites actually felt like he was the racist who was causing a division amongst blacks and whites. They said that with a straight face and meant it with all of their hearts. Point being, blacks calling out racism have always been accused racist of being racists themselves. You aren’t doing anything new.

And stop with the "Y'all want to pretend" crap because it DOESN'T APPLY TO ME. Act like a man and address me directly! All you do is say "Y'all" every time you respond to someone directly which is a ******, IGNORANT generalization!

It does apply to you because you’re on the same bullsht hence “y’all”. Whining about posters being referred to as kkk when the anti black pro white tone is always on display here whether it’s overt or subtle.You see all the pbc comments. You see all the ldbc comments. You see all the al haymon/Mayweather slander, and you see all of the comments getting at black posters here. Don’t want to be lumped in with them? Stop protecting suspected racists then.

Don't you love the black people on this forum making all black people look like ****?

So why aren’t you at his neck richardt? How can the few black people here make all black people look bad? How is that appropriate to you?

"I only care about racism against black people" that ****ing loser says. "The other races can fight their own battles."

Cool. Then you're cool with racism just not against black people. You can be as racists as you want to white people because that's not your problem.

You can cry all you want. I meant exactly what I said. I’m not a fake self righteous type who’s on some moral crusade. The only form of systematic racism that exists in my part of the world is anti black racism/white supremacy. There is no systematic racism against white people regardless of how much pussCs like you whine and cry pretending as if there is. This is why people like you need a system of racism in place, you’re too weak to exist without it. If I was white and knew the history of my people, I wouldn’t allow myself to complain about anything.

A black guy sees another black guy call me inferior because I'm defending a boxer using facts but all he can see is color. He wants to call me KKK but since I'm asian I'm just severing my white masters because I'm inferior.

You just said it yourself. You were called inferior due to your ****** ass nonsensical fanboy arguments, not because you’re asian. You were called inferior, not Asians. I didn’t know that you were asian and I doubt the other poster did either. He was assessing you based on your comments. If he knew you were asian then he probably wouldn’t have called you kkk since the kkk doesn’t allow asians. Being an asian who’s mistaken for a racist white person based on what you say, speaks for itself lol.

Lmfao. When they cant use their race card they want to act like they're better than myself? Lmfao!

That's literally the definition of a BLACK SUPREMACIST.

This doesn’t even make sense. You just used the “race card” though. “He had called me inferior because I’m asian”. People think less of you because you post dumb sht and you’re clearly biased with suspect motives.

Flip the script. If a white guy said the exact same things that trash ass poster Goldie said then everyone would be on him instantly.

"I only care about racism against white people. Other races should fight their own battles"

I guess only racist can be white. No such thing as a black racists lmfao!

Here we go with the false equivalence “both sides” bullsht. Y’all can’t even help yourselves lol.

Where is this system of racial oppression that’s set up against white people that I’m supposed to care about? Better yet, tell me why I’m supposed to care about any racism that Asians face when generally speaking Asian cultures are inherently racist against blacks? This goes for Latinos/hispanics too. Latino/Hispanic culture is inherently anti-black, so why should I concern myself with their problems?

[Fire4231]

Negative.

B-Side fighters are paid based on the terms of the A-Side, who is the star that brings eyes to the fight.

Misapplication of circumstance. As stated, there is no clear A-Side because Loma is not already a PPV draw. In this scenario it is the match up between the two that makes this a PPV. Both fighters are semi popular with mostly hardcore/fanboy bases. They need each other to sell a PPV.

Teofimo is an 'eye test' fighter with a small fanbase of hardcores.
Teo has enough fans to come together with Loma and make a PPV ready fight.

Lomachenko is an 'eye test' fighter with a large fanbase of hardcores. Loma is nice but this is an exaggeration. He needs Teophemo as much as Teo needs him...Factz

Loma brings more eyes.
Lol...Why hasn’t he been doing PPV then?

Teo stands to double his largest check. So what... he is just making his mark. But that win over Commey sent headlines around the worlds. But as his manager the question is this... for the amount of value, risk and revenue generation is my client getting paid fairly?

I say it's fair and he's getting bad advice. I say 1.25 is ridiculously low. He has to pay his team, manager and taxes. His presence makes this a PPV he should be compensated accordingly.

What I don't get, is if Teo makes unreasonable money demands, why NSB is turning on him so bad, yet when Crawford (another 'eye test' for hardcores) makes unrealistic, unreasonable, undeserved money demands, he gets supported? Not sure on the NSB? But for me... I am supporting Teophemo because he brings more value to this fight than being paid. He is stepping up and daring to be great just like Loma. On the back in the winner becomes a superstar and Top Rank benefits even if he loses. His costs are real and it’s easy to get marginalized with these phony fans.

However...Terrence said he wasn’t taking a pay cut period and I didn’t agree with the rational. However, Bob is notoriously cheap and if you give him an inch he will take a mile. Look at the financial disaster he left fighters like Pacquiao with.

In Terence’s case, I have not yet seen it situationally applied to understand whether his mindset is reasonable.

It's a business. Guys can ask for what they want, but ultimately will only get what they deserve and need to learn their place as B-Side, like Golovkin eventually did.

Problem with this analogy is there is no firm A-Side. There are no tangible Loma PPV numbers to say he can sell them on his own.

This is more like a B giving a B- a shot. With a classic/ profitable PPV we will have a new A-Side. But for all we know Teo is nearly as popular as Loma. And even worst, just because more people know Loma, it doesn’t mean they will pay money to see him fight.

This is a PPV due to match up. Give the winner a bonus and the fight would be made. The upside for Top Rank is it turns one of these guys into a Superstar.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Problem with this analogy is there is no firm A-Side. There are no tangible Loma PPV numbers to say he can sell them on his own.

This is more like a B giving a B- a shot. With a classic/ profitable PPV we will have a new A-Side. But for all we know Teo is nearly as popular as Loma. And even worst, just because more people know Loma, it doesn’t mean they will pay money to see him fight.

This is a PPV due to match up. Give the winner a bonus and the fight would be made. The upside for Top Rank is it turns one of these guys into a Superstar.

Come on man, you can't be serious.

Loma made 3-4 guys quit, two of them top tier, including (no matter what you think about age or weight) a guy that Floyd once said was #1 in Rigo.

Teofimo got taken the full distance by a Japanese guy who had never even tasted the bright lights before. People forget that performance because of the Commey KO, but I didn't. Nakatani was completely dismissed by everyone, but the points where he had success are similar to points that Loma excels in: awkward angles, a piston jab, constant movement.



I don't know if Loma's age will betray him, but I suspect Loma embarrasses this kid, based on what I've seen. And I suspect that's why Teo wants more cash - the REAL reason.

[Smash]

Loma doesn’t have a particularly large fan base. In fact, when comparing their tv numbers Loma’s top fights only did marginally better

Teo and his figures, i mean his best number by far i think was on the undercard of buds show, other than that what good figures has he got?

i cant remember off hand exactly what lomas are but im sure they were peaked at 1.5 mil plus for his last many fights, so his figures are pretty good

[R-Hand Southpaw]

Loma doesn’t have a particularly large fan base. In fact, when comparing their tv numbers Loma’s top fights only did marginally better and that’s with a sht load more promotion/hype in the media. If the purse split was based on how many viewers each fighter attracts, the split would be much more balanced.

Clearly you’re not too smart because you just did what you’re denying doing. Once again, you just made an (false)equivalence between using kkk and ni**er. Referring to suspected racist fans as kkk is not a “negative racial comment”. Believing a specific group of people of having a racial agenda doesn’t malign a whole race. All whites aren’t irrational loma fans with racial agendas. You’re basically saying that calling out loma fans who we think are motivated by race is “not appropriate”.

Again, you expose yourself as a pathetic liar. Here you are trying to make kkk a slur. The *** is a “racial inference”? What are you even talking about? KKK is not a slur and referring to some loma fans who post here as kkk is not an offense to all whites.

You’re playing the same false equivalence game that a lot of white supremacists play. Y’ALL(Couldn’t care less about you crying about being lumped in because you’ve lumped yourself in) try to equate blacks calling out racism with whites being racist. It’s the oldest trick in the white supremacist book. When MLK was alive, most whites actually felt like he was the racist who was causing a division amongst blacks and whites. They said that with a straight face and meant it with all of their hearts. Point being, blacks calling out racism have always been accused racist of being racists themselves. You aren’t doing anything new.


It does apply to you because you’re on the same bullsht hence “y’all”. Whining about posters being referred to as kkk when the anti black pro white tone is always on display here whether it’s overt or subtle.You see all the pbc comments. You see all the ldbc comments. You see all the al haymon/Mayweather slander, and you see all of the comments getting at black posters here. Don’t want to be lumped in with them? Stop protecting suspected racists then.

So why aren’t you at his neck richardt? How can the few black people here make all black people look bad? How is that appropriate to you?

You can cry all you want. I meant exactly what I said. I’m not a fake self righteous type who’s on some moral crusade. The only form of systematic racism that exists in my part of the world is anti black racism/white supremacy. There is no systematic racism against white people regardless of how much pussCs like you whine and cry pretending as if there is. This is why people like you need a system of racism in place, you’re too weak to exist without it. If I was white and knew the history of my people, I wouldn’t allow myself to complain about anything.

You just said it yourself. You were called inferior due to your ****** ass nonsensical fanboy arguments, not because you’re asian. You were called inferior, not Asians. I didn’t know that you were asian and I doubt the other poster did either. He was assessing you based on your comments. If he knew you were asian then he probably wouldn’t have called you kkk since the kkk doesn’t allow asians. Being an asian who’s mistaken for a racist white person based on what you say, speaks for itself lol.

This doesn’t even make sense. You just used the “race card” though. “He had called me inferior because I’m asian”. People think less of you because you post dumb sht and you’re clearly biased with suspect motives.



Here we go with the false equivalence “both sides” bullsht. Y’all can’t even help yourselves lol.

Where is this system of racial oppression that’s set up against white people that I’m supposed to care about? Better yet, tell me why I’m supposed to care about any racism that Asians face when generally speaking Asian cultures are inherently racist against blacks? This goes for Latinos/hispanics too. Latino/Hispanic culture is inherently anti-black, so why should I concern myself with their problems?

Lmfao.

If people have a problem with black people its literally because of people LIKE YOU.

Don't try to ****jng kid yourself when you're trying to say "inferior " was due to my arguments.

You honestly believe anyone believes that for one second? That's the kind of **** people like try to pull and then play the ****ing victim.

You act like black people in America were the only people oppressed but completely forget about the Native Americans were were enslaved first. You forget about the discrimination against the Chinese and Irish. You forget about the discrimination against the Japanese. Thats just a few!

But no! Youre the ****ing victim. You who choses to be one. You who chooses to only love your race. Youre no ficking better than the people you hate. Youre exactly the same preaching that youre something different.

So when you cry dont call me a black supremacist let ask you, what makes you any different? Your ****ing skin color? Might be different but youre the same ****ed up on the inside.

[richardt]

Loma doesn’t have a particularly large fan base. In fact, when comparing their tv numbers Loma’s top fights only did marginally better and that’s with a sht load more promotion/hype in the media. If the purse split was based on how many viewers each fighter attracts, the split would be much more balanced.

Clearly you’re not too smart because you just did what you’re denying doing. Once again, you just made an (false)equivalence between using kkk and ni**er. Referring to suspected racist fans as kkk is not a “negative racial comment”. Believing a specific group of people of having a racial agenda doesn’t malign a whole race. All whites aren’t irrational loma fans with racial agendas. You’re basically saying that calling out loma fans who we think are motivated by race is “not appropriate”.

Again, you expose yourself as a pathetic liar. Here you are trying to make kkk a slur. The *** is a “racial inference”? What are you even talking about? KKK is not a slur and referring to some loma fans who post here as kkk is not an offense to all whites.

You’re playing the same false equivalence game that a lot of white supremacists play. Y’ALL(Couldn’t care less about you crying about being lumped in because you’ve lumped yourself in) try to equate blacks calling out racism with whites being racist. It’s the oldest trick in the white supremacist book. When MLK was alive, most whites actually felt like he was the racist who was causing a division amongst blacks and whites. They said that with a straight face and meant it with all of their hearts. Point being, blacks calling out racism have always been accused racist of being racists themselves. You aren’t doing anything new.


It does apply to you because you’re on the same bullsht hence “y’all”. Whining about posters being referred to as kkk when the anti black pro white tone is always on display here whether it’s overt or subtle.You see all the pbc comments. You see all the ldbc comments. You see all the al haymon/Mayweather slander, and you see all of the comments getting at black posters here. Don’t want to be lumped in with them? Stop protecting suspected racists then.

So why aren’t you at his neck richardt? How can the few black people here make all black people look bad? How is that appropriate to you?

You can cry all you want. I meant exactly what I said. I’m not a fake self righteous type who’s on some moral crusade. The only form of systematic racism that exists in my part of the world is anti black racism/white supremacy. There is no systematic racism against white people regardless of how much pussCs like you whine and cry pretending as if there is. This is why people like you need a system of racism in place, you’re too weak to exist without it. If I was white and knew the history of my people, I wouldn’t allow myself to complain about anything.

You just said it yourself. You were called inferior due to your ****** ass nonsensical fanboy arguments, not because you’re asian. You were called inferior, not Asians. I didn’t know that you were asian and I doubt the other poster did either. He was assessing you based on your comments. If he knew you were asian then he probably wouldn’t have called you kkk since the kkk doesn’t allow asians. Being an asian who’s mistaken for a racist white person based on what you say, speaks for itself lol.

This doesn’t even make sense. You just used the “race card” though. “He had called me inferior because I’m asian”. People think less of you because you post dumb sht and you’re clearly biased with suspect motives.



Here we go with the false equivalence “both sides” bullsht. Y’all can’t even help yourselves lol.

Where is this system of racial oppression that’s set up against white people that I’m supposed to care about? Better yet, tell me why I’m supposed to care about any racism that Asians face when generally speaking Asian cultures are inherently racist against blacks? This goes for Latinos/hispanics too. Latino/Hispanic culture is inherently anti-black, so why should I concern myself with their problems?

You are clearly not the brightest thing! Saying "Referring to suspected racist fans as kkk" is a RACIALLY INFLAMMATORY statement on this message board! You said: "You’re basically saying that calling out loma fans who we think are motivated by race is “not appropriate”. There is a HUGE difference between "motivated by race" and calling Loma fans KKK! and if you were bright, you would see that difference, which you are not. And furthermore, using KKK in the same sentence as Loma fans has NOTHING to do with a specific slur! It is called MAKING RACIALLY INFLAMMATORY comments.

And you went off on a mindless drivel about oppression from whites and MLK which has NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS DISCUSSION so save your history lecture for someone who does not have a high school and college education!

And as to your reading comprehension issues, I already stated more than once that I target the FIRST person in a message board who makes inflammatory remarks and starts the fight which is what I did and what I already stated and what you failed to comprehend!

I will simplify it for you since you clearly do not have the mental capacity to grasp something so SIMPLE: This is a boxing message board! Any references to the N word or KKK or other RACIALLY INFLAMMATORY statements are not allowed and for years I have reported RACIALLY INFLAMMATORY remarks made against Blacks, Whites, Mexicans, Filipinos, etc., and will continue to do so! Get it? Got it? GOOD!

If you don't like it, you can complain all you want, I'm done with you since you are incapable of staying on topic and instead rant about history and oppression when this is about simple RACIALLY INFLAMMATORY comments on a boxing message board!

For that, you are on ignore. Don't bother responding, I won't see anymore of your unrelated lectures so you'll be blowing hot air in the wind. You'll probably respond since you're not bright enough to know that I wont be reading anymore of your unrelated BS.

I'm not going to waste my time with someone who can't grasp something so simple as what is defined as a RACIALLY INFLAMMATORY statement and instead talks about oppression which does not apply to Boxing scene and people making simple RACIALLY INFLAMMATORY statements. Have a good life. But get some psychological help, you really need it.

[Goldie]

Teo and his figures, i mean his best number by far i think was on the undercard of buds show, other than that what good figures has he got?

i cant remember off hand exactly what lomas are but im sure they were peaked at 1.5 mil plus for his last many fights, so his figures are pretty good

According to mike coppinger, Teofimo had a peak average of 1.429 million viewers. I think he meant a peak average though. There isn’t an average for a peak. 1.429 million viewers is an excellent peak. Lopez (15-0, 12 KOs) destroyed IBF lightweight champion Commey (29-3, 26 KOs) in a 2nd round knockout in their co-feature bout at Madison Square Garden in New York.

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Lmfao.

If people have a problem with black people its literally because of people LIKE YOU.

This is how racists really think. Somehow black people have brought the anti black racism on ourselves because some blacks actually call it out. You’re pitiful.

Don't try to ****jng kid yourself when you're trying to say "inferior " was due to my arguments.

You honestly believe anyone believes that for one second? That's the kind of **** people like try to pull and then play the ****ing victim.

Dude said that you’re a white a$$ kisser and that’s exactly what it looks like to me too. You sound like a wannabe white with an inferiority complex, and that’s solely based on your comments which is the only thing I know about you. I don’t really give a fk what you or anybody else here believes.

You act like black people in America were the only people oppressed but completely forget about the Native Americans were were enslaved first. You forget about the discrimination against the Chinese and Irish. You forget about the discrimination against the Japanese. Thats just a few!

I didn’t say that blacks are the only ones to face oppression. I said that I don’t give a fk about any of the oppression against any other group. The reason is that all of these other groups are racist against blacks despite whatever oppression they’ve faced. An idiot like you who doesn’t have even a basic understanding of history can’t comprehend that because you’re ******.

Native Americans owned ****** and fought alongside the confederacy to keep blacks enslaved. The native Americans were oppressed but they’ve gotten their reparations. Reparations that they’ve withheld from the black members and their descendants(Choctaw Freedman, go look them up since you don’t know who they are) of some of those tribes. The chief of the Choctaws Gary Barton actually just sent a letter to Congress mad at Rep Maxine Waters for trying to enforce the treaty of 1866 that said the Choctaws were supposed to compensate their black tribe members(Freedman).



Here what’s the Chief of the Choctaws looks like btw just so you can understand how natives have been whitewashed over the centuries

But no! Youre the ****ing victim. You who choses to be one. You who chooses to only love your race. Youre no ficking better than the people you hate. Youre exactly the same preaching that youre something different.

So when you cry dont call me a black supremacist let ask you, what makes you any different? Your ****ing skin color? Might be different but youre the same ****ed up on the inside.

I haven’t said anything about being a victim. I haven’t even said that I hate anyone either. Hating people based on skin color and physical features just isn’t in my nature.

You can call me whatever you want. It’s like water off of a duck’s back though. Calling me a “black supremacist” exposes you, not me. It’s tit for tat bullsht. I’ve said nothing about black supremacy. This topic really has nothing to with black people. lopez isn’t black and neither is loma. Y’all just hate to be called out on the white supremacy sht.

Racism isn’t only caring about your group. Racism is about oppressing people outside of your racial group. You’re a complete idiot.

You are clearly not the brightest thing! Saying "Referring to suspected racist fans as kkk" is a RACIALLY INFLAMMATORY statement on this message board! You said: "You’re basically saying that calling out loma fans who we think are motivated by race is “not appropriate”. There is a HUGE difference between "motivated by race" and calling Loma fans KKK! and if you were bright, you would see that difference, which you are not. And furthermore, using KKK in the same sentence as Loma fans has NOTHING to do with a specific slur! It is called MAKING RACIALLY INFLAMMATORY comments.

And you went off on a mindless drivel about oppression from whites and MLK which has NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS DISCUSSION so save your history lecture for someone who does not have a high school and college education!

You're a gotdamn idiot regardless of your education. The point about MLK was that blacks who call out racism are ALWAYS demonized and accused of being the racists themselves by people like you. King was accused of being “racially inflammatory” for his peaceful protests against legalized racial terrorism. MLK was seen as a racial instigator and someone who was causing trouble. The same sht you’re running now. Saying loma fans are “motivated by race” is just a sugarcoated PC way of saying that they’re racist or saying they’re kkk. It’s exactly the same thing. People like you just don’t like to see blacks calling out racism unless you agree/approve. That’s the bottomline.

I’m stopping here because there’s no need to read and respond to the rest of that dumb sht you wrote. We’re just going in circles. The most vocal loma fans that post here seem to be on some white power sht and that even goes for some of the support behind him in the media. I don’t give a fk if me saying that makes you mad or uncomfortable.

[Smash]

[B][I]According to mike coppinger, Teofimo had a peak average of 1.429 million viewers. I think he meant a peak average though. There isn’t an average for a peak. 1.429 million viewers is an excellent peak.

yes but that was right before crawfords fight, so its not teo on his own so its not a like for like comparison, crawford was the headline act and teo challenging for a title

[_Rexy_]

Lmao @ Goldie using numbers for Teo when he wasn't the main eventer.


We gonna attribute all the Mayweather/MacGregor PPV buys to Tank Davis now?

[Fire4231]

Come on man, you can't be serious.

Loma made 3-4 guys quit, two of them top tier, including (no matter what you think about age or weight) a guy that Floyd once said was #1 in Rigo.

Teofimo got taken the full distance by a Japanese guy who had never even tasted the bright lights before. People forget that performance because of the Commey KO, but I didn't. Nakatani was completely dismissed by everyone, but the points where he had success are similar to points that Loma excels in: awkward angles, a piston jab, constant movement.



I don't know if Loma's age will betray him, but I suspect Loma embarrasses this kid, based on what I've seen. And I suspect that's why Teo wants more cash - the REAL reason.

Lol...Nice topic exchange. No response on current topic?

How did we go from the equity of the business to whether Loma is proven/ which fighter would win the fight? I never said any of the things you are alleging and it has nothing to do how fairly they are paying Teophemo.