What happened to the American HW's?

[Abe Attell]

So whats up with American being the way of thinking andn ot your racial origin?
I mean that way, no one is really american(besides the natives), does not matter wether you were born here or not, your ancestors came from another country.

"America" is an idea, a dream, not a "country/land", at least not in my mind: if you are born any where in the World and believe in the "American Way", the "American Dream", the "American ideal", you are American...to wish and to need Liberty is America...America isn't the first civilization with regards to "Liberty", but it is in existence now so that is the place in your mind you can go to in order to one day get there.
"Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death"- Patick Henry.

If tomorrow the States were taken over by a piece of **** Dictator, it will no longer be "America"...of course, the people in this land have the RIGHT to put down such an intolerable Dictorial Government.

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When England was hit by a century-long Heavyweight championship drought, I don't believe it can be ever said it was because of American-brand of football; not even rugby. I think it was because American big men just got better and eventually dominated for a century.

In basketball, no one ever came close to American dominance of the sport except once--in the Olympics when the Soviets took their controversial one and only gold. But that dominance was last seen in the Jordan-Magic-Bird era. Teams after the original "Dream Team" won, but never in the same fashion. It's just that the rest of the world is getting better even in the sport that an American (Naismith) invented.

One looks around and see that in many sports that used to have only American names at the top of the "Best List", many from other continents are creeping up (golf, though there's still a Tiger in there), or even,some, at the top (tennis).

A large part in the success of other countries is the generousity of US sports, in general, for making available their training methods to everyone interested. I doubt very much whether those who currently hold the Heavyweight crowns would have reached the level they are in now had they not been given the benefit of considerable "American experience".

In short, I humbly think the others got better because America helped make them better.

Edit: I neither begrudge those who learned well enough to get far nor those who taught them well enough. It has been said that, "From those who have been given much, much is expected." America, with its bounty, must share.

[Abe Attell]

American organizations for quite a bit of time now invest more money overseas than they do here with the youth. So if that is what you are talking about, agree

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American organizations for quite a bit of time now invest more money overseas than they do here with the youth. So if that is what you are talking about, agree

That alongside among others, American universities and colleges offering scholarships to lure talents abroad with respect many other sports and, in boxing, managers/promoters/trainers taking under their wings fighters whom they consider having some potential and giving them the type of regimen, methods, techniques and facilities that would not have been available to them had they stayed in their homelands.

[Run]

When England was hit by a century-long Heavyweight championship drought, I don't believe it can be ever said it was because of American-brand of football; not even rugby. I think it was because American big men just got better and eventually dominated for a century.

In basketball, no one ever came close to American dominance of the sport except once--in the Olympics when the Soviets took their controversial one and only gold. But that dominance was last seen in the Jordan-Magic-Bird era. Teams after the original "Dream Team" won, but never in the same fashion. It's just that the rest of the world is getting better even in the sport that an American (Naismith) invented.

One looks around and see that in many sports that used to have only American names at the top of the "Best List", many from other continents are creeping up (golf, though there's still a Tiger in there), or even,some, at the top (tennis).

A large part in the success of other countries is the generousity of US sports, in general, for making available their training methods to everyone interested. I doubt very much whether those who currently hold the Heavyweight crowns would have reached the level they are in now had they not been given the benefit of considerable "American experience".

In short, I humbly think the others got better because America helped make them better.

Edit: I neither begrudge those who learned well enough to get far nor those who taught them well enough. It has been said that, "From those who have been given much, much is expected." America, with its bounty, must share.

This right here, is not only correct but extremely informative.



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[Abe Attell]

That alongside among others, American universities and colleges offering scholarships to lure talents abroad with respect many other sports and, in boxing, managers/promoters/trainers taking under their wings fighters whom they consider having some potential and giving them the type of regimen, methods, techniques and facilities that would not have been available to them had they stayed in their homelands.

I think it was on the show "Duke it out" {ESPN}, that stated during one of their episodes {which I think was the "Immigrants" episode}, that after World War II, with the rise of a better economy (due to the War) Americans were no offered the chance to go to college through the G.I. Bill; plus, lots of jobs sprung up giving a person at least a decent living.

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This right here, is not only correct but extremely informative.

Thanks, Run..., ol'' buddy!

[THE REAL NINJA]

This right here, is not only correct but extremely informative.

LOL Naismith was canadian and basketball was started in canada we just took the sport as our own

[gandhalf]

You take any of the top strong athletes in the NFL and give them 5 years to box, we would find ourselves a few more Tyson's or Ali's...
I'm not trying to take away from the Europeans or Russians, but the truth is they have NOTHING else althletic for a 250lbs man to make money at. They get their best to be boxers. America gets the guys who weren't athletic enough to make it into the NFL (34 teams with 53 active players = 1802) That's 1,802 of America's best 200+lbs+ not boxing. Think there's a champ hidden somewhere in there?????????

That's because you're a bit delusional. (no offense btw)
and obviously brainwashed into believing that NFL or NBA athletes are no matter what, at the top of the food chain.
and are somehow, genetically different and superior.
and it's understandable because as an american. You don't know any better.

and yet you still have the ultimate conviction that those eastern euros (the ones that you see in boxing) are for some reason , "their best". You're obviously dead wrong.
We could reverse the roles and encourage all the best + 270 lbs euro athletes to learn and train for the NFL. But none of them actually give a **** about this sport.

And they sure do have their good share of athletic monsters. (Valuev is btw, not even a "can". He's totally worthless , especially for a guy of his size).
That's an athlete
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Karelin
that's a fighter
http://videos.caught-on-video.com/Pl...5-8A724E2BB15C

You guys are actually quite lucky that russia is still not using the cream of the crop of of their talent pool. Most of the guys you're currently seeing are for the most part, opportunists.
They just see boxing as a way to escape their mysery.

Oh and btw , You're saying

You take any of the top strong athletes in the NFL and give them 5 years to box, we would find ourselves a few more Tyson's or Ali's[/B]

You realise how degrading this is to these guys right?

Ever wondered why NO ONE in the NBA has managed to be on par with the likes of Jordan & Johnson? and hell even Bird & Jabbar too.
After all these years. We're still looking for the next Jordan.
(and please don't mention Kobe ****in bryant).

Same thing goes for Ali... There's never been anything like him.
Not even a prime Tyson ,not a prime foreman could compete with that.
and you have the balls to say we would find ourselves a few more Tyson's or Ali's ?!!

What an insult. not just to these guys but to the sport in general.

It's like those morons claiming that "Brock Lesnar" will be unbeatable in mma as soon as He cross trains and learns the "basics" , on the basis that he's a "genetic freak". lol
and the 285 lbs Lesnar, just recently got subbed by 170 lbs Matt Hughes.
Sure, he's not experienced. so that's an excuse.
but that **** doesn't matter. because we have guys submiting black belts and treating them like amateurs. 2, 4, 6 or 9 years of training ain't gonna propulse you to the top.

Most of the likes of Nogueira, Fedor, Arona, have been doing this **** since they were kids. Ain't no way, a ****in NFL or NBA or whatever is gonna suddenly decide to train and "take over" solely based on his genetics. It doesn't work that way in the real world.
Same thing goes in Pro Boxing.
The guys who are or will be dominating in this sport will have to have more than just size and genetics.

It's like believing that a kid who's got a 170 IQ will automatically become a success and a ****ing millionaire in his adult life.

There's only one Jordan. One Ali. One Fedor. One Bird (and LMFAO at the ones comparing him to that euro white boy Nowitzki).

Each of these guys.. Karelin, Lennox, Ali, Federer, Zidane, Pele, seinbenbacher, Maradonna,Pudzianowski,Fedor, Mayweather,Kosei Inoue, Bjorn Borg , Kimura , Armstrong, Carl Lewis, Michael Johnson , Liu Xiang , Foreman, Nogueira , Sampras, Dekkers ,Gretzky ,Tiger Woods, Nadal and the list goes on...

All these guys didn't just became legends because they decided to one day "train" for a couple of years and take their chances..
This is gonna sound like a broken record but Ali once said

Champions are made from something they have deep inside them: A desire, a dream

and this goes for every mother ****ing sports. and you' sayin
give them 5 years to box, we would find ourselves a few more Tyson's or Ali's... ? Are you ****ing out of your mind?

Hell,same thing goes for the mother ****ing NFL... Let's take examples..
Jim Brown
Joe Montana
Elway
Rice
Payton
Unitas ...

LMFAO at the bull**** logic of you biased fans are claiming. it's ****ing insane!

dude those eastern euros are far from being the best, ****ing far from it.. Klitschko was Koed by a mother ****ing kickboxing "can" years before he decided to try boxing.

& you're saying
I'm not trying to take away from the Europeans or Russians, but the truth is they have NOTHING else althletic for a 250lbs
what the **** do you know about europeans & russians in the first place?
How the **** are you gonna explain this by your logic?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN2cRzqNSJ8
putting everyone in the same basket. Yeah great idea!

[Hitman932]

youd have thought alonzo mourning could be the heavyweight champ until you saw him get in a fight with larry johnson and throw the most pathetic ***** slap of all time.