What happened to the American HW's?

[7001]

HE IS NOT RUSSIAN!

OLEG IS FROM kazakhstan!!!

Don't blame me if people keep saying he's Russian.

[FibreOptic]

You know, many of the former Soviet republics have ethnic Russians living in them.

[badblood]

When Maskaev lived over there it was still the Soviet Union. He has lived here in America for years and years and he pronounces himself as "Russian American."

[beez721]

If David Tua comes back in great shape, he can do it. He's only 33.

tua's a one dimensional joke. the only way he'll ever have a chance of winning a title is if he somehow gets valuev and even thats a 50/50 shot at best. I could see the slow valuev even keeping him at bay with the jab

[scap]

This has a simple answer:
They are all suited up on Sunday's playing football for the NFL (and maybe a few playing for the NBA).
In American kids are brought up playing football and basketball idolizing the current stars making 10's of millions every year. There are organized team divisions from the time kids are 4 years old through college. The best athletes in America never have a desire to put on a pair of boxing gloves 'cause their dreams are to one day play in the NFL.
This was not the case 15-25 years ago when the salaries of the NFL players were not where they are today.
Good for the NFL, bad for American heavyweights...

Bingo ****o...

I would have liked to have seen what Simeon Rice or Jevon Kearse could have done if they had ben in the ring at age 10 instead of the football field.

the current HW champ is playing D-end in the NFL...


Ibeabuchi you mother****er...she would have ****** your **** for free, what the ****...you set the division and quite possibly the sport back, she would have blown you for free you brain dead moron!

[Cutthroat]

In my opinion, I think the American boxers in general are starting to suck because of how they grew up. America is a pretty rich country, a lot of people here are "B****" and take things for granted. Now, people in other countries like Russia, or Africa, or Mexico grow up poor. They have "higher" values than the people over here, they're motivated a lot more to get something since they're used to working for what they want. Plus you can't forget about how much of a role the parents play, most moms these days are babying their sons and daughters. They don't discipline them enough in order for their kids to get into that mentality that boxers have, the kids grow up all sensitive and all that BS. Hmmmm.... One perfect example of a boxer who grew up poor is Kassim Ouhma, he grew up in Africa was a child soldier but traveled to America and trained in boxing. Now he is a pretty darn good boxer. Since all these rich and spoiled kids are getting treated all good and stuff, most of them are like "I don't wanna box, fighting is pointless" (In my opinion, all the kids who say that are PdoubleSIES). They avoid boxing, and go to other sports. Hmmm.... Get what I'm trying to say?

[SquareCircle]

Maskaev isn't an American champion because his blood is Kazak. Not American. The whole point of saying a champion is of a specific descent is to give pride to the continent they originated from. Doesn't matter how good of English he speaks, or how long he's lived here, or how many kids he's raised here.

He's still a Kazak. It's silly to say or even think the guy is American. He is an American citizen. Nothing more, nothing less.

[BrooklynBomber]

Maskaev isn't an American champion because his blood is Kazak. Not American. The whole point of saying a champion is of a specific descent is to give pride to the continent they originated from. Doesn't matter how good of English he speaks, or how long he's lived here, or how many kids he's raised here.

He's still a Kazak. It's silly to say or even think the guy is American. He is an American citizen. Nothing more, nothing less.

So whats up with American being the way of thinking andn ot your racial origin?
I mean that way, no one is really american(besides the natives), does not matter wether you were born here or not, your ancestors came from another country.

[Pantera2000]

In my opinion, I think the American boxers in general are starting to suck because of how they grew up. America is a pretty rich country, a lot of people here are "B****" and take things for granted. Now, people in other countries like Russia, or Africa, or Mexico grow up poor. They have "higher" values than the people over here, they're motivated a lot more to get something since they're used to working for what they want. Plus you can't forget about how much of a role the parents play, most moms these days are babying their sons and daughters. They don't discipline them enough in order for their kids to get into that mentality that boxers have, the kids grow up all sensitive and all that BS. Hmmmm.... One perfect example of a boxer who grew up poor is Kassim Ouhma, he grew up in Africa was a child soldier but traveled to America and trained in boxing. Now he is a pretty darn good boxer. Since all these rich and spoiled kids are getting treated all good and stuff, most of them are like "I don't wanna box, fighting is pointless" (In my opinion, all the kids who say that are PdoubleSIES). They avoid boxing, and go to other sports. Hmmm.... Get what I'm trying to say?

America is a rich country, but there is still plenty of slums and very poor areas. Most of the NFL's best grew up in these types of households. Trust me, if boxing was the only sport for these guys to practice and it was there dream to be a world champ, there would be no Valuev, Maskaev, Liakhovich or any other ev or vich anywhere to be found in the top 10 (maybe a Klitschko or two). You take any of the top strong athletes in the NFL and give them 5 years to box, we would find ourselves a few more Tyson's or Ali's...
I'm not trying to take away from the Europeans or Russians, but the truth is they have NOTHING else althletic for a 250lbs man to make money at. They get their best to be boxers. America gets the guys who weren't athletic enough to make it into the NFL (34 teams with 53 active players = 1802) That's 1,802 of America's best 200+lbs+ not boxing. Think there's a champ hidden somewhere in there?????????

[Abe Attell]

/\ Exactly. They're all playing Basketball and Football. All the guys that are 6'2" and up & 215+ are in the NFL and NBA. Those guys are athletic and can manuever. Leaving us with boring ass heavyweight boxing. So bad to the point where a fight with minimal action, such as last night, is deemed to bring the HW division "back". What a joke.

You know what it's gonna take to get a great American heavyweight? A super crazy Boxing DAD, similar to Roy's dad, that wants his kid to be a boxer. But nowadays with all the money in the NFL and NBA, why would you want your son to be punished and beat in a boxing ring?

You want to see great heavyweights?
Lebron James - 6'8" (close to 6'9"), 240 pounds, less than 10% body fat


Kenyon Martin


Brian Urlacher


Ray Lewis


etc, etc, etc, etc, etc

I would lean more towards FOOTBALL than Baseketball