Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Pacquiao, Davis-Santa Cruz, Joe Joyce, More

[Thuglife Nelo]

the critique wasn't mainly about the catchweight. The critique was that in order to get canelo to break a record that truly belonged to Fernando vargas (youngest world champion at 154), an undeserving opportunity was created for Canelo. Canelo, who hadn't done anything at 154 at that time was given a title shot and the opponent that was selected for him was a low ranked welterweight who accomplished nothing at 147 and never fought at 154. How did Matthew Hatton get pushed to the front of the line ahead of actual junior middleweights?? It was an attempt to give canelo the easiest possible chance to win his first title. The catchweight is much less significant than that.

So what did Maidana do to deserve Floyd’s WBC 154 in the rematch? It was on the line. That’s 7lbs!

Canelo wasn’t even tipping 154 when he won the WBC Silver. He was floating below 152. He could’ve hit the limit of 154. Even Baldomir weighed more. Hatton had more 147-154 fights than Maidana did. Against why did Maidana deserve the 154 WBC with Floyd? Hatton vs Canelo was a fair fight considering Matt’s experience at Welter-154 before Canelo’s rise to that fight.

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So what did Maidana do to deserve Floyd’s WBC 154 in the rematch? It was on the line. That’s 7lbs!

Canelo wasn’t even tipping 154 when he won the WBC Silver. He was floating below 152. He could’ve hit the limit of 154. Even Baldomir weighed more. Hatton had more 147-154 fights than Maidana did. Against why did Maidana deserve the 154 WBC with Floyd? Hatton vs Canelo was a fair fight considering Matt’s experience at Welter-154 before Canelo’s rise to that fight.

maidana didn't deserve a title shot either and that was also a scam. But you're not making a comprable comparison. Maidana had been world champion during his career and was a champion at 147 at that time. Floyd was the top star in boxing. Neither Hatton nor Canelo had held any belt in any division at that time. You can't even find a similar scenario ever in boxing of 2 guys who were never world champions and 1 who wasn't even a fighter in that division, and also not even highly ranked in the division he was in getting a title shot in a new division. You'll find several situations of guys who were a champion in a lower division moving up and getting a shot for their first fight in a new division. But a guy who wasn't even a top 15 welter (he was ranked #18 at 147 by the wbc) getting a 154 pound title shot? As I said, it was a scam to rob vargas of a record that he rightfully earned and just hand it over to the entitled Canelo.

[Thuglife Nelo]

maidana didn't deserve a title shot either and that was also a scam. But you're not making a comprable comparison. Maidana had been world champion during his career and was a champion at 147 at that time. Floyd was the top star in boxing. Neither Hatton nor Canelo had held any belt in any division at that time. You can't even find a similar scenario ever in boxing of 2 guys who were never world champions and 1 who wasn't even a fighter in that division, and also not even highly ranked in the division he was in getting a title shot in a new division. You'll find several situations of guys who were a champion in a lower division moving up and getting a shot for their first fight in a new division. But a guy who wasn't even a top 15 welter (he was ranked #18 at 147 by the wbc) getting a 154 pound title shot? As I said, it was a scam to rob vargas of a record that he rightfully earned and just hand it over to the entitled Canelo.

Your dumbass said Fielding’s Regular wasn’t anything, just like Maidana’s “Regular.” That Supar WBA shet started with Mosley. The Super isn’t even consistent with Lineage. Just like PAC vs Thurman was dubbed as “Unification.” The point is catchweights. It can all be subjective. You can’t fault Canelo just because prior to that the lineage was Pac vs Margarito at 150. Again, Canelo wasn’t tipping 154, and this isn’t about “deserving.” If we’re going to point finger at “advantages” or disadvantages we gotta be 100 across the board.

[JohnCastellanos]

Funny how when Breadman criticizes Canelo for the Hatton fight yet didn’t source his pivotal knowledge for Taylor vs Norris and the WBC..

Here are the original citings for Breadman’s old school hating ass than mug!

Breadman Mailbag
Published On Sat Jun 29, 2019, 07:32 AM EST

“I think Canelo is one heck of a fighter. But he’s the most privileged fighter in boxing history in my opinion. He’s already good and can beat anyone on his best day. But on top of that he can do whatever he wants.

Think about this. He fought Matthew Hatton at a catchweight for his 1st title. Hatton was a welterweight and not a very highly regarded one I might add. But nevertheless he fought Canelo for the junior middleweight title weighing 149.5 lbs.”

Today’s Mailbag

“Fans only complain about how catchweights affect outcomes of fights when their guy doesn’t win. If the bigger guy gets to go down in weight then rehydrate up they claim he was too big. For example Terry Norris vs Meldrick Taylor. Norris had to come down to 149lbs to face Taylor. But because Norris won, “he was too big.”

But when Manny fought Cotto at 145, and Manny won. It was because Cotto had to lose too much weight. But Cotto fans didn’t say that when he fought Daniel Geale and Sergio Martinez at catchweights because he won those fights.

Just because a fighter is fighting at a catchweight doesn’t mean he has an advantage. Sometimes he does. Sometimes he doesn’t. Sometimes it’s just a ploy by one of the teams to get every perceived advantage they can. But it doesn’t mean it’s a real advantage. It’s all a part of the game.“

This dudes bias has been exposed multiple times and he’s clearly a “lip service “ guy who always hypes up the media favorites

[Thuglife Nelo]

This dudes bias has been exposed multiple times and he’s clearly a “lip service “ guy who always hypes up the media favorites

Breadman is hating ass dude. Typical PBC asslicker to Haymon. I bet it really steams for them just hating on Oscar and GBP carries that debt across all it’s fighters. Plus these LDBC types always hated that Bhop was in alliance with GBP. They’ll just hating ass crocodile tear phags. Breadman swears by his knowledge of catchweights yet criticized Canelo. Look at Hatton and Canelo’s weights before they fought. But Breadman highlights that Hatton weighed in below 150 for that title bout. Ridiculous out context cherry picking. Check this:

Canelo before Hatton:

Christian Solano 151
Carlos Adan Jerez 150
José Cotto 150
Luciano Cuello 150 / quarter
Carlos Baldomir 150.5

Hatton before Canelo

Paul Denton 156 / quarter
Karl Taylor 158.2
David Kirk 153
Paul Denton 157.5
Jay Mahoney 150 / quarter
Peter Dunn 151
Francis Jones 152
Adnan Hadoui 151.5
Dzimitri Yanoushzevich 151
Jose Medina 150
Mikheil Kutsishvilish 151.4

Now you know why Shields and PBC phags say “Dead Zone.” They hate Oscar more than anything. Typical Mexican vs Black insecurities in boxing

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Your dumbass said Fielding’s Regular wasn’t anything, just like Maidana’s “Regular.” That Supar WBA shet started with Mosley. The Super isn’t even consistent with Lineage. Just like PAC vs Thurman was dubbed as “Unification.” The point is catchweights. It can all be subjective. You can’t fault Canelo just because prior to that the lineage was Pac vs Margarito at 150. Again, Canelo wasn’t tipping 154, and this isn’t about “deserving.” If we’re going to point finger at “advantages” or disadvantages we gotta be 100 across the board.

maidana was the only wba champion at 147 at the time. Unlike fielding who was a reg champ and the actual champ ko'd him in1 round. Either way, now you're straying off the point because as always you must defend your boos honor. Guy, in the history of boxing, find 1 single case where I guy accomplished next to nothing in a weight class faced a guy who was ranked #18 in the division below, and they were fighting for a title. Canelo was shamefully given that chance and no matter how much you love him, that won't change the facts of the situation. He's entitled and you defending it shows what dummy you are and why you get clowned in these mailbags. That was the whole point bread made, that canelo was entitled, so you straying onto catchweights and so called double standards about them is irrelevant and kind of pathetic that you're saving old mailbags to prove a point, that you failed to do. It's just your way of whining because bread doesn't suck canelos balls they way you do.

[Thuglife Nelo]

maidana was the only wba champion at 147 at the time. Unlike fielding who was a reg champ and the actual champ ko'd him in1 round. Either way, now you're straying off the point because as always you must defend your boos honor. Guy, in the history of boxing, find 1 single case where I guy accomplished next to nothing in a weight class faced a guy who was ranked #18 in the division below, and they were fighting for a title. Canelo was shamefully given that chance and no matter how much you love him, that won't change the facts of the situation. He's entitled and you defending it shows what dummy you are and why you get clowned in these mailbags. That was the whole point bread made, that canelo was entitled, so you straying onto catchweights and so called double standards about them is irrelevant and kind of pathetic that you're saving old mailbags to prove a point, that you failed to do. It's just your way of whining because bread doesn't suck canelos balls they way you do.

LMAO. Hatton had more experience than Canelo at Super Welterweight.

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LMAO. Hatton had more experience than Canelo at Super Welterweight.

who'd he beat at 154?? Tell me how many fights and who he beat. Biggest scam of a title fight.

[Thuglife Nelo]

who'd he beat at 154?? Tell me how many fights and who he beat. Biggest scam of a title fight.

Lol. Blame the WBC. Your boyfriend Breadman referenced it with Taylor vs. Norris. Why did the WBC sanction Estrada vs Adkins?

Typical Canelo hate. As if that 20 year old make the rules. Lol. Mexican Bidness over hating ass LDBC minds errrday every day!

And who’s “who?” Hatton or Canelo? Lol. Hatton had more fights at 154 than Canelo.

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Lol. Blame the WBC. Your boyfriend Breadman referenced it with Taylor vs. Norris. Why did the WBC sanction Estrada vs Adkins?

Typical Canelo hate. As if that 20 year old make the rules. Lol. Mexican Bidness over hating ass LDBC minds errrday every day!

And who’s “who?” Hatton or Canelo? Lol. Hatton had more fights at 154 than Canelo.

bread didn't even critique Canelo in this mailbag at all, and you went out of your way to whine like the ho you are over a past remark he made about Canelo being entitled and you incorrectly spun it into an issue about catchweights. You're a super cornball. In typical Canelo fan boy fashion, you tried to defend canelo by bringing up other scenarios that weren't event comparable. So I pointed out to you that nobody ever has been a part of such a scam title match as Hatton vs Canelo and you can't point out 1 similar scenario. Canelo did nothing at 154 and biggest claim to fame was beating 16 loss baldomir at a catch weight. Hatton was the #18 ranked welter weight, not ranked at 154 and they fought for 154 pound title. Neither ever held any world title up to that point. Find 1 similar scenario or stfu.