If Manny fights and beats Crawford

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Yes they approve floyd usage of illegal amount of IV and the PEDS expert said that amount of IV can dillute or mask the PEDS and lance armstrong don't have that kind of privileged that's why he got branded as the PED cheater.


Yes bert sugar say pac is one of the greatest on par with henry armstrong and he put armstrong at #2..

Are you really this ******? For starters Armstrong didn't use IVs to hide his PEDs, he used blood transfusions.

PED experts said. Excuse me for asking for a link but you are a PROVEN LIAR.

[just the facts]

Yes they approve floyd usage of illegal amount of IV and the PEDS expert said that amount of IV can dillute or mask the PEDS and lance armstrong don't have that kind of privileged that's why he got branded as the PED cheater.


Yes bert sugar say pac is one of the greatest on par with henry armstrong and he put armstrong at #2..

Are you really this ******? Even if Sugar put Pac on par with Armstrong AT THE TIME, he only had Armstrong at #2. How does that equate into Pac being #1? That's right, it doesn't. And that video was before an out cold knockout loss to Marquez and a lopsided decision loss to Mayweather. You're a PROVEN LIAR.

[just the facts]

Bert sugar already named pac the greatest.

You're backpedaling now but this is the LIE you posted.

[danceswithfire]

Are you really this ******? Even if Sugar put Pac on par with Armstrong AT THE TIME, he only had Armstrong at #2. How does that equate into Pac being #1? That's right, it doesn't. And that video was before an out cold knockout loss to Marquez and a lopsided decision loss to Mayweather. You're a PROVEN LIAR.

true , that video was beflore the cotto fight too and pac has done so much more since then.. yes he lost by KO and a UD win but he also beat the number 1 ww at 40 years old ..so pac legacy would've just increased not decreased logically speaking

[just the facts]

true , that video was beflore the cotto fight too and pac has done so much more since then.. yes he lost by KO and a UD win but he also beat the number 1 ww at 40 years old ..so pac legacy would've just increased not decreased logically speaking

The video was immediately after the Cotto fight. I'm certainly not saying that Pac isn't an all time great fighter. He obviously is but the issue here is a certain idiot poster claiming that Bert Sugar named Pac the greatest fighter ever and even in that video, Sugar never said that. A razor thin split decision in a fight in which Pac was out landed in both power punches and total punches won't override the out cold knockout loss to Marquez and the lopsided decision loss to Mayweather.

[danceswithfire]

The video was immediately after the Cotto fight. I'm certainly not saying that Pac isn't an all time great fighter. He obviously is but the issue here is a certain idiot poster claiming that Bert Sugar named Pac the greatest fighter ever and even in that video, Sugar never said that. A razor thin split decision in a fight in which Pac was out landed in both power punches and total punches won't override the out cold knockout loss to Marquez and the lopsided decision loss to Mayweather.

i stand corrected on the timeline but sugar did say pac's the GOAT southpaw including marvin hagler and sweetpea 11 years ago....the KO loss to jmm was 3 years later and the floyd loss was 8 years too late so i doubt i did anything negative to his legacy considering he still had good wins after....hell , he still broke records

[The3]

Manny with wins over Thurman and Crawford will have people calling this era of WW OVERRATED

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Manny with wins over Thurman and Crawford will have people calling this era of WW OVERRATED

No its the era of fantasy, you boys ride fantasy so hard its unreal.

[just the facts]

i stand corrected on the timeline but sugar did say pac's the GOAT southpaw including marvin hagler and sweetpea 11 years ago....the KO loss to jmm was 3 years later and the floyd loss was 8 years too late so i doubt i did anything negative to his legacy considering he still had good wins after....hell , he still broke records

This is all debatable, but let's assume it's all true. Is that enough to make Pac the #1 fighter of all time? Not in my book. Not even top 10.

[danceswithfire]

This is all debatable, but let's assume it's all true. Is that enough to make Pac the #1 fighter of all time? Not in my book. Not even top 10.

well your book is personal, who's to say it's wrong ?

hell they got harry greb in the top 10 and no one here even seen his fights hahaha