I hope Vitaliy now comes back and fights for WBC title...

[Nautilus]

I scored the second fight a draw.....because of Hopkins' reluctancy to engage...when Taylor was throwing and landing punches on the gaurd.

He clearly lost the fight against Wright 115-113 and I don't know how you'd score it otherwise.

That was like Vargas v.s. Wright all over again.

OK, let's take these as given. Then,

1) Taylor drawed with Hopkins, P4P # 1 (at the time)

2) Taylor lost to Winky P4P # 2 by just a single point.

That's just an amazing performance for a young star. I think it allows us to rate Taylor somewhere in top 5 P4P.

Now, where does Lacy rate exactly? Nowhere close.

[Run]

I had both Hopkins Taylor fights scored narrowly for Hopkins, and I thought Winky clearly won 7 rounds to 5 over Taylor.

Although Jermain fought admirably in all 3 fights for a young fighter.

Right.

115-113 Hopkins.

114-114 Taylor Draw.

113-113 Wright.

It's not ****ing rocket science. I'm like the last person that would score a fight in favor of someone because I'm "biased".

That's absurd. Taylor is overrated, and lost two of those three.



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[Run]

OK, let's take these as given. Then,

1) Taylor drawed with Hopkins, P4P # 1 (at the time)

2) Taylor lost to Winky P4P # 2 by just a single point.

That's just an amazing performance for a young star. I think it allows us to rate Taylor somewhere in top 5 P4P.

Now, where does Lacy rate exactly? Nowhere close.

Lacy stopped a tank in Vanderpool, and ****d a quality fighter in Williams.

If you could keep a straight eye and say a 6 footer who shouldn't be fighting at 160 in the first place.......who beat a Marquez who was fighting when I was 4 and a Joppy who rivals a walking corpse.......is going to beat a wrecking ball like that?

naah.

That's a media's version of the Uncle tom Hypejob, and I wont buy it. Lacy would mow through his ass like a hot knife through butter, and that's that.



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[Dr Cynical]

No, logic is direct.

Oleg beat Vitaliy in amateurs KO1 (scoring 3 knock downs) !

Now Vitaly can come back for a revenge fight against Oleg.

Very simple and direct logic.

What you seem to be failing to understand is this.

Im my opinion, Vitali didn't retire to avoid Rahman.

I just wanted to make that clear.

Moving on..

Vitali as Bozo mentioned, couldn't get through training camp without injury.

So, since he retired due to constant injury, why would he come back now?

Also, if he did come back now and fought Oleg as a comeback fight, how would that look?

When Rahman wanted to fight, he postponed several times then retired.

Yet, when Rahman is beaten, he comes back ready to fight?

That would look VERY bad.

If Vitali really cared about "avenging" his KO loss to Oleg back in Amateurs, why didn't he do it before retiring?

I don't think he cares and as I said above, if he came back to fight Oleg, it would look like he really was afraid of Rahman, like a lot of people already assume.

[Nautilus]

If Vitali really cared about "avenging" his KO loss to Oleg back in Amateurs, why didn't he do it before retiring?

Well... as you may recall... Vitaliy wanted to fight Oleg (and petitioned WBC for a voluntary defense), but he was ordered by WBC to fight a mandatory defense against Rahman.

[Dr Cynical]

Well... as you may recall... Vitaliy wanted to fight Oleg (and petitioned WBC for a voluntary defense), but he was ordered by WBC to fight a mandatory defense against Rahman.

You seem to be very focused on Vitali/Oleg and I wonder if it's because of that extreme amount of focus/obsession you have, that's blinding you from realizing what we're saying here.

If Vitali came back to fight Oleg or anyone else for any reason at all, it would look like he was ducking Rahman and made up everything just to avoid fighting him.

Do you understand now?

[Nautilus]

You seem to be very focused on Vitali/Oleg and I wonder if it's because of that extreme amount of focus/obsession you have, that's blinding you from realizing what we're saying here.

If Vitali came back to fight Oleg or anyone else for any reason at all, it would look like he was ducking Rahman and made up everything just to avoid fighting him.

Do you understand now?

Read the first message of the thread. *I* started this thread because I wanted it to be focused on Oleg vs Vitaliy.

Get it?

[Dr Cynical]

Read the first message of the thread. *I* started this thread because I wanted it to be focused on Oleg vs Vitaliy.

Get it?

But it makes no sense and we've given you reasons why.

Do *you* "get it"?

[Nautilus]

You seem to be very focused on Vitali/Oleg....

and you did not directly respond to the my answer to you...

[Nautilus]

But it makes no sense and we've given you reasons why.

Do *you* "get it"?

It makes no sense to you ...

get it?