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  • kidbazooka
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    #211
    I’m no Pac fanboy I cheered against him during his hey day because he beat most of my favorite fighters Of the time.

    But are you saying Pac IS NOT a great fighter????

    Or just his WW run?

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    • BodyBagz
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      #212
      Originally posted by kidbazooka
      I’m no Pac fanboy I cheered against him during his hey day because he beat most of my favorite fighters Of the time.

      But are you saying Pac IS NOT a great fighter????

      Or just his WW run?
      You say you're not a Pac fanboy yet you so very enthusiastically voted Pac yes, May nope in that silly little ''Top 10 ATG list'' thread.

      Definitely his WW career and most of his early ''fights''. How many no names did he fight before finally finding a known guy ?

      There's room for every fighter to be criticized......except 2 -
      Pac and Fury. With resumes like theirs (mostly Fury of course)?!?!?!

      WTF

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        #213
        Originally posted by BodyBagz
        You say you're not a Pac fanboy yet you so very enthusiastically voted Pac yes, May nope in that silly little ''Top 10 ATG list'' thread.

        Definitely his WW career and most of his early ''fights''. How many no names did he fight before finally finding a known guy ?

        There's room for every fighter to be criticized......except 2 -
        Pac and Fury. With resumes like theirs (mostly Fury of course)?!?!?!

        WTF
        Oh I agree with you 100% with Fury he doesn’t even belong in the same sentence as Manny.

        Here’s the thing bro by discrediting Manny at WW or overall your discrediting Floyd’s best win. No other fighter on Floyd’s resume is as accomplished or great as Manny. Not corralles, not gatti, not past his prime Oscar, not Judah, not hatton, not Mosley, not maidana, not a 22 yr old green canelo not Berto NON of them.

        So if I was a Floyd fanboy I would be praising Manny left n right instead of knocking him because the more you bash Manny you end up taking away Floyd’s best win.

        What 40 yr old Manny did in beating a young in his prime undefeated champ in Thurman was very very impressive. Manny beat a legit ww champ he’s not out there fighting 20 yr old 126lb boys.
        Last edited by kidbazooka; 09-21-2020, 02:50 AM.

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          #214
          Originally posted by kidbazooka
          Oh I agree with you 100% with Fury he doesn’t even belong in the same sentence as Manny.

          Here’s the thing bro by discrediting Manny at WW or overall your discrediting Floyd’s best win. No other fighter on Floyd’s resume is as accomplished or great as Manny.

          So if I was a Floyd fanboy I would be praising Manny left n right instead of knocking him because the more you bash Manny you end up taking away Floyd’s best win.

          What 40 yr old Manny did in beating a young in his prime undefeated champ in Thurman was very very impressive. Manny beat a legit we champ he’s not out there fighting 20 yr old 126lb boys.
          Lucas, Rios, Broner, Margarito, Vargas, Clottey, HORN, Bradley 3x, Algieri, The worst versions of DLH, Cotto and Mosley.....

          Pac's WW career is a joke. Unless a person is a fanboy.

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            #215
            Originally posted by BodyBagz
            Lucas, Rios, Broner, Margarito, Vargas, Clottey, HORN, Bradley 3x, Algieri, The worst versions of DLH, Cotto and Mosley.....

            Pac's WW career is a joke. Unless a person is a fanboy.
            That’s fine it’s your opinion I’m sure most will disagree but no biggie. Like I said then Floyd’s ww run is not impressive either because his best win is against a “joke” according to you.

            But do you aknowledge Manny is an all time great?

            Oh and yes I’m no manny fanboy but I do rank Manny ahead of Floyd just like I rank SRR ahead of Lamotta despite losing to him, manny like SRR went on to accomplishe more than Floyd.
            Last edited by kidbazooka; 09-21-2020, 02:56 AM.

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              #216
              Gatti > Lucas
              Berto > Rios
              Maidana > Broner
              Baldomir > Clottey

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                #217
                Originally posted by BodyBagz
                Gatti > Lucas
                Berto > Rios
                Maidana > Broner
                Baldomir > Clottey
                All of those guys were jokes at ww so not a good look for either guy there.

                Your left with

                Old Oscar
                Cotto
                Mosley
                Judah

                Manny at ww has
                Thurman
                Bradley 2x
                Old Oscar too
                Cotto too
                Mosley

                So very similar opponents as there best wins but who beat them in more impressive fashion.

                See you have to give Manny his dues and by doing so all of a sudden Floyd’s WW resume looks waaaaay more impressive with that Manny win alone.

                Think about it bro.

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                  #218
                  Originally posted by kidbazooka
                  All of those guys were jokes at ww so not a good look for either guy there.

                  Your left with

                  Old Oscar
                  Cotto
                  Mosley
                  Judah

                  Manny at ww has
                  Thurman
                  Bradley 2x
                  Old Oscar too
                  Cotto too
                  Mosley

                  So very similar opponents as there best wins but who beat them in more impressive fashion.

                  See you have to give Manny his dues and by doing so all of a sudden Floyd’s WW resume looks waaaaay more impressive with that Manny win alone.

                  Think about it bro.
                  Any historian worth his salt will have Pac down as a better Ww with stronger more depth resume.
                  That's why Pac is top 6 all time. Pac s ww resume is better than.natural ww, i.e. Cotto, spence, thurman guys who campaigned there their whole career almost.
                  Last edited by hugh grant; 09-21-2020, 03:17 AM.

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                    #219
                    Originally posted by kidbazooka
                    That’s fine it’s your opinion I’m sure most will disagree but no biggie. Like I said then Floyd’s ww run is not impressive either because his best win is against a “joke” according to you.

                    But do you aknowledge Manny is an all time great?

                    Oh and yes I’m no manny fanboy but I do rank Manny ahead of Floyd just like I rank SRR ahead of Lamotta despite losing to him, manny like SRR went on to accomplishe more than Floyd.
                    Pac had an easier road to whatever it is he accomplished.
                    I asked you how many fights did Pac have before he fought a legit guy ?

                    Originally posted by kidbazooka
                    All of those guys were jokes at ww so not a good look for either guy there.

                    Your left with

                    Old Oscar
                    Cotto
                    Mosley
                    Judah

                    Manny at ww has
                    Thurman
                    Bradley 2x
                    Old Oscar too
                    Cotto too
                    Mosley

                    So very similar opponents as there best wins but who beat them in more impressive fashion.

                    See you have to give Manny his dues and by doing so all of a sudden Floyd’s WW resume looks waaaaay more impressive with that Manny win alone.

                    Think about it bro.
                    Once again
                    May beat the better versions of DLH, Cotto and SSM.
                    Pac has more fights but not better wins.

                    Originally posted by hugh grant
                    Any historian worth his salt will have Pac down as a better Ww with stronger more depth resume.
                    That's why Pac is top 6 all time. Pac s ww resume is better than.natural ww, i.e. Cotto, spence, thurman guys who campaigned there their whole career almost.
                    Name those 8 div champs Pac took belts from or beat it.

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                    • Roadblock
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                      #220
                      Originally posted by kidbazooka
                      Oh I agree with you 100% with Fury he doesn’t even belong in the same sentence as Manny.

                      Here’s the thing bro by discrediting Manny at WW or overall your discrediting Floyd’s best win. No other fighter on Floyd’s resume is as accomplished or great as Manny. Not corralles, not gatti, not past his prime Oscar, not Judah, not hatton, not Mosley, not maidana, not a 22 yr old green canelo not Berto NON of them.

                      So if I was a Floyd fanboy I would be praising Manny left n right instead of knocking him because the more you bash Manny you end up taking away Floyd’s best win.

                      What 40 yr old Manny did in beating a young in his prime undefeated champ in Thurman was very very impressive. Manny beat a legit ww champ he’s not out there fighting 20 yr old 126lb boys.
                      Floyds resume is way above just Manny, youre laying too much emphasis on just Manny, its more than him its the entire body of work that adds up and ends with Manny. Floyd resume is so much more legit opposed to Mannys and thats what fans dont see nor understand, you got to know boxing to see through all the fan bs to see the real merit in a fight, its not just winning its how whom and when, and most important was the opponents form at the time.

                      Thurman was broken its obvious and every Manny fan trys to make him out to be a beast he was nearly stopped by Lopez a B+ guy after a 2 yr out with surgery, dont start the lion in his prime BS, he was a guy Roach said has fought injured for years , " When he stopped hurting guys " said Roach, remember those breadcrumbs I said are everywhere.

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