Pac's Career Put Into Perspective

[BodyBagz]

I tell ya....anyone who can be impressed with Pac's WW career is not even a casual fan. I kinda understand Pac needing DLH to be the worst he could be. Both made nice money and that is all the fight was meant for.

Cotto would have been a great win had it not for the clause. Even then it went 12. No clause,
Pac talks like a baby but he isn't ******.

Obviously Pac didn't need Clottey to be the worst he can be....so no clause.

Now we move to his bashing Margarito

BRILLIANT !!!!

Loved every moment.
My favorite Pac win.
It was hysterical on every level.
Hoever -
1...Pac claused him
2...it was for a title

HELL NO, Pac didn't stick around.
Margie was an easy scalp.

People (non fight fans) say Margie would have beaten May and that May ran away from the potential beating.

If repeatedly getting hit in the face is the way to win fights, then yes.

Pac's WW career at this point -

Worst version of DLH
Claused Cotto
A guy named Clottey
and now Margie (north of WW) but on Pac's terms.

And it gets funnier !

Dude is a fraud !

[BodyBagz]

Next WW has been that Pac fans swear is legit -
Mosley. This was less of a fight and more of a patty cake playoffs.

A complete farce. Pac is literally walking in Mays footsteps.

So far Pac's WW career is an utter joke.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

Let the games begin

Look at this puny MFer -


''Will fight for table scraps.''

Look at the shlttier puny MFers he fought -
1st 30 opponents (AKA Farmers and Food Vendors) collective record -
W 366-L 195-D 53

Before we get all giddy and say ''Look at all of the wins his opponents accumulated !''
Accumulated is the operative word here -

The Legends;
Jamili 41-5
Sasakul 32-1-1
Chockvivat 34-2
Medina 30-30
Prawet 40-3
177 wins from these 5 ATGs alone.

189 wins from the remaining 25 killers (an avg 7 1/2 wins per)

Pac's record vs those Farmers and Food vendors -
28-2 (2 TKO);22 kos
Won WBC fly weight ( ) title from Sasakul.
Got KO'd his next fight vs Sangsurat (18-0)
Picked up a WBCI (?) SBW. Defended it 2x

Yeah, I know. What guy doesn't start off their career feasting off of BUMS (Pac has a high number, though) ?!?!?!

Let's proceed -
1st name that pops out and is sorta talked about like some AGT -
Ledwaba 33-1-1 (when Pac fought him)
Let's take a look at his best wins - NOBODY
Pac fought him for his IBF (legit) SBW title
Pac KHTKO
To look at Ledwaba's resume, it's pretty lame.
Truth be told, I don't follow these midgets, so who knows.

Several fight later, Pac is up against a legit guy, albeit SHOPWORN
MAB (57-3). An old-ish 30. Not shot but definitely not prime.
While Pac was chewing up a bunch of ?'s, MAB was in wars.

From this point on, Pac is stepping up his game (can't get any lamer this far into a persons resume).

So, for now, I want to see if I have this right or am I a hater ?

You left off the great years.

All of them.

Haha.

I smell hate...

[BodyBagz]

You left off the great years.

All of them.

Haha.

I smell hate...

Then point them out....specifically. That is what this thread is about.

No blanket statements, please.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

Then point them out....specifically. That is what this thread is about.

No blanket statements, please.

Hhmm...two wins over Barrera and a win over Barrera at any age is great. He became the first to stop El Terrible and he crushed him in the third fight. That was a thing of beauty. He beat Bradley three times, even if the judges f'd up the first time. He beat JMM three times and wanted a fifth fight but JMM ran away as far as I could see. Given how many rematches Pac gave everybody, I don't see him backing out. At 40, he beats Thurman and I had counted him out of that fight. Also at 40, he beats Broner who's always dangerous. He beat the hell out of Cotto. He gave Margarito and Brandon Rios whippings, too, that weren't even close. He made DLH quit. Hell, man. What more do you want? That's a legendary run period. Your standards may just be impossible to meet because you don't like him. Name another fighter in this era who accomplised as much. Everyone fails when compared to perfection but when compared with each other, things change quite a bit. Let's have a comparison and see how he matches up...

[BodyBagz]

Hhmm...two wins over Barrera and a win over Barrera at any age is great.

He became the first to stop El Terrible and he crushed him in the third fight. That was a thing of beauty.

He beat Bradley three times, even if the judges f'd up the first time.

He beat JMM three times and wanted a fifth fight but JMM ran away as far as I could see.

Given how many rematches Pac gave everybody, I don't see him backing out.

He beat the hell out of Cotto.

He gave Margarito and Brandon Rios whippings, too, that weren't even close.

He made DLH quit.

Hell, man. What more do you want? That's a legendary run period. Your standards may just be impossible to meet because you don't like him. Name another fighter in this era who accomplised as much. Everyone fails when compared to perfection but when compared with each other, things change quite a bit. Let's have a comparison and see how he matches up...

I have to disagree about a name being a name. We have all used the terms ''shot' and ''post prime''...they can apply to Pac's opponents, yes ?!?!?

MAB and Morales were shopworn.

Timmy 10 kos Bradley....no danger there. Limited Ruslan made him dance more than once.

Pac vs JMM.....The 1st fight says it all, imho. That was a thing of beauty. The go to sleep fight was the the cherry on top. Anyone who says JMM ran away from a Pac fight due to fear is too much of a Pac fan.

BTW, He didn't give Jeffy a rematch and would only rematch Cotto if Cotto agreed to another clause

(I will get to the Broner and Thurman fights in due time. Let's not jump ahead)

Woooooooooooooooooooow.....beyond shot Margarito and Rios. The same guys who Mosley and Bradley stopped, respectively.

DLH, the absolute worst version.

On and on

Of course Pac fans will see glory in the wins just mentioned.

I am 10000000000 % certain if this was May's line up, the shlt would be flying to no end.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

I have to disagree about a name being a name. We have all used the terms ''shot' and ''post prime''...they can apply to Pac's opponents, yes ?!?!?

MAB and Morales were shopworn.

Timmy 10 kos Bradley....no danger there. Limited Ruslan made him dance more than once.

Pac vs JMM.....The 1st fight says it all, imho. That was a thing of beauty. The go to sleep fight was the the cherry on top. Anyone who says JMM ran away from a Pac fight due to fear is too much of a Pac fan.

BTW, He didn't give Jeffy a rematch and would only rematch Cotto if Cotto agreed to another clause

(I will get to the Broner and Thurman fights in due time. Let's not jump ahead)

Woooooooooooooooooooow.....beyond shot Margarito and Rios. The same guys who Mosley and Bradley stopped, respectively.

DLH, the absolute worst version.

On and on

Of course Pac fans will see glory in the wins just mentioned.

I am 10000000000 % certain if this was May's line up, the shlt would be flying to no end.

I'll do a comparison. I consider Mosley to be one of the era's best. Let's see how this turns out.

Mosley lost to Cotto, whom Manny destroyed.

Mosley beat Margarito down for sure. Manny did the same. Didn't get the KO bu busted his s h i t up.

Both lose Floyd and I'd give Mosley the edge. He rattled Floyd better than anybody. Pac and Floyd's fight just ****** all the way around.

Mosley beats a younger DLH which is an edge but I felt he definitely lost the rematch. Manny makes an older DLH quit. Both wins are solid.

Mosley beats down Vargas twice. Vargas usually lost when he stepped up but they were good wins.

Mosley owns two wins over Mayorga who alo usually lost when stepping up, except against Vargas of course. Haha.

Mosley takes two Ls against Vernon Forrest who didn't do a lot other than that. He takes two Ls from Wright who was a good fighter for sure. No shame in that.

His resume before DLH was okay but eh. There aren't many legends there.

So, Mosley does hold two wins over DLH, two over Mayorga, 1 over Margarito.

Pac has wins over Barrera (2), Morales (2), Bradley (2/really 3), JMM(2), Thurman, Margarito, DLH.

Okay, I think most feel Pac had a better career than Mosley and I don't consider Mosley to have had a bad career at all. So, when comparing Pac to Mosley, Pac wins this one easy.

Like I say, compare his career to some special fighter you're a fan of. It will crumble quickly. You're just hating, my friend. Anyone can bash any fighter's resume. Haha.

[BodyBagz]

I'll do a comparison. I consider Mosley to be one of the era's best. Let's see how this turns out.

Mosley lost to Cotto, whom Manny destroyed.

Mosley beat Margarito down for sure. Manny did the same. Didn't get the KO bu busted his s h i t up.

Both lose Floyd and I'd give Mosley the edge. He rattled Floyd better than anybody. Pac and Floyd's fight just ****** all the way around.

Mosley beats a younger DLH which is an edge but I felt he definitely lost the rematch. Manny makes an older DLH quit. Both wins are solid.

Mosley beats down Vargas twice. Vargas usually lost when he stepped up but they were good wins.

Mosley owns two wins over Mayorga who alo usually lost when stepping up, except against Vargas of course. Haha.

Mosley takes two Ls against Vernon Forrest who didn't do a lot other than that. He takes two Ls from Wright who was a good fighter for sure. No shame in that.

His resume before DLH was okay but eh. There aren't many legends there.

So, Mosley does hold two wins over DLH, two over Mayorga, 1 over Margarito.

Pac has wins over Barrera (2), Morales (2), Bradley (2/really 3), JMM(2), Thurman, Margarito, DLH.

Okay, I think most feel Pac had a better career than Mosley and I don't consider Mosley to have had a bad career at all. So, when comparing Pac to Mosley, Pac wins this one easy.

Like I say, compare his career to some special fighter you're a fan of. It will crumble quickly. You're just hating, my friend. Anyone can bash any fighter's resume. Haha.

Pac wouldn't go near Cotto, who was THE CHAMP, without a clause.

Pac fought the worst versions of the guys you mentioned.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

Pac wouldn't go near Cotto, who was THE CHAMP, without a clause.

Pac fought the worst versions of the guys you mentioned.

LOL. He murdered Cotto.

Like I say, do a comparison. Hell, compare his career with your boy Cotto's. Not close at all. I recall one of Cotto's biggest wins being Maravilla who couldn't walk.

[BodyBagz]

Settle down, it went 12 rds.
Google Pac vs Cotto and then google Pac vs Cotto rematch.

Pac is shady AF