Is there such thing as unifying wbc and ring magazine and lineal?

[Watcherw1]

some poster said this a while back, someone clear this up for me. cheers

[Ray*]

Not really. Not sure how you can unify a mythical title with an actual title. As much as I love the ring magazine or lineal thing, it’s just not a real thing. It’s more of a reward for someone having all the 4 major belts or someone who has beaten the recognised man of their division.

[Watcherw1]

An account user by the name of 'wbc wba ibf' said it well over a year ago, he also said wilder and fury 2 was to unify wbc, lineala and ring, I just want to know if that is bs or not

[Citizen Koba]

some poster said this a while back, someone clear this up for me. cheers

Not really. I mean you can get what he's saying, but the term 'unify' in boxing is understood by common usage to mean becoming the World Champion with two or more of the 4 major sactioning organisations (or 3 prior to 2004ish), the WBC, WBA, IBF and WBO. To become 'undisputed' means to hold all four World Championship titles simultaneously.

The ring Magazine title and lineal title were orginally refering to the same concept.... the man who beat the man, or (in the event of a lineage being broken) sometimes the winner of a match-up between recognised #1 and #2 in a division can create a new 'man', although over time the Ring title has come to mean that publications view on who the pre-eminent fighter in a division is though loosely following the lineal concept.

There's a little more nuance, but in general terms no he's wrong... the Ring and Lineal appelations are not actually recognised titles and so cannot be unified, in fact they're largely used these days precisely to disentangle the problems caused by having a multiplicity of recognised champions.

[Watcherw1]

interesting

[Thuglife Nelo]

but the term 'unify' in boxing is understood by common usage to mean becoming the World Champion with two or more of the 4 major sactioning organisations (or 3 prior to 2004ish), the WBC, WBA, IBF and ....in fact they're largely used these days precisely to disentangle the problems caused by having a multiplicity of recognised champions.

I don’t know about “becoming.” actually “unify” simply means exactly what it means...technically, to join a belt with another belt holder or Champion vs Champion. The more elevation to secure the complete the division has the other term of “Undisputed.”

But Undisputed is just as complicated and debatable when criticizing “Ring.” Lineal imo has a unique importance out of respect for lineage. Not too shabby imo.

But Crawford fighting an Indongo whom beat a Burns... I mean yeah, “Undisputed,” but such threats? I mean cmon...Those are all just marketing gimmicks. Had Bud went to 147 without fighting Indongo and took a harder fight then it would be gangsta, or there been more Postol’s at 140 holding belts then I’d say Bud accomplished challenges...

[Citizen Koba]

I don’t know about “becoming.” actually “unify” simply means exactly what it means...technically, to join a belt with another belt holder or Champion vs Champion. The more elevation to secure the complete the division has the other term of “Undisputed.”

But Undisputed is just as complicated and debatable when criticizing “Ring.” Lineal imo has a unique importance out of respect for lineage. Not too shabby imo.

But Crawford fighting an Indongo whom beat a Burns... I mean yeah, “Undisputed,” but such threats? I mean cmon...Those are all just marketing gimmicks. Had Bud went to 147 without fighting Indongo and took a harder fight then it would be gangsta, or there been more Postol’s at 140 holding belts then I’d say Bud accomplished challenges...

The distinction you're making there is more a grammatical and semantic one I think - a 'unified' champion is one who holds more than one of the 4 recognised world to titles, 'to unify' means to accomplish (or extend) this status. The detail about 'undisputed' I've already ammended my post to include by happy coincidence.

The relative status accorded to these things is an entirely different question and not really within the scope of what the TS was asking, but FWIW I agree, whilst undisputed is always gonna be a well regarded accomplishment, it doesn't necessarily always involve the same level of challenge to accomplish - compare the different routes taken by Bud, Usyk and Jermaine Taylor for instance. Similarly with lineal - the man who beat man may for many reasons not be the most highly regarded fighter in a division.

[Thuglife Nelo]

The distinction you're making there is more a grammatical and semantic one I think - a 'unified' champion is one who holds more than one of the 4 recognised world to titles, 'to unify' means to accomplish (or extend) this status. The detail about 'undisputed' I've already ammended my post to include by happy coincidence.

The relative status accorded to these things is an entirely different question and not really within the scope of what the TS was asking, but FWIW I agree, whilst undisputed is always gonna be a well regarded accomplishment, it doesn't necessarily always involve the same level of challenge to accomplish - compare the different routes taken by Bud, Usyk and Jermaine Taylor for instance. Similarly with lineal - the man who beat man may for many reasons not be the most highly regarded fighter in a division.

And this is why we also have P4P. I‘ll take Ring and Transnational as good measure. If a #1 slips, it’s his responsibility to get back on top. As a matter of fact, that’s the best motivation.

[W1LL]

Not really. The Lineal title is the best there is, alphabet titles are meaningless in comparison. It would be like winning £1 million on the national lottery, then "unifying" it with a £5 win on a scratch card.

[Citizen Koba]

And this is why we also have P4P. I‘ll take Ring and Transnational as good measure. If a #1 slips, it’s his responsibility to get back on top. As a matter of fact, that’s the best motivation.

They're all kinda useful in their own way - different takes on the question of who is best - and all can be used together to make the most complete picture, including Boxrec, but if I just had to pick one it'd be TBRB right now, hands down.