Comments Thread For: Hearn Talks Fury-Joshua Meeting, Joshua-Pulev, Wilder, Whyte, More

[kafkod]

The Fury/Joshua deal behind closed doors was easier to "make" very obviously because of the pandemic.
If Wilder beat Fury last fight, Wilder vs Joshua would be arranged just as easily.
The fighters and promoters are all going to be less tough negotiating given the obvious lack of revenue in boxing right now.

I really don't understand how the corona crisis could have made a big fight easier to make. It actually makes everything more difficult and complicated because it restricts the amount of money that a sporting event can generate.

Wilder would never have fought AJ, because Haymon wouldn't allow any of his top guys to fight on DAZN.

[kafkod]

you do know Haymon have made been involved in the top 5 highest grossing fights in the history of the sport

How many of them were Deontay Wilder fights?

[SinderellaMan]

I really don't understand how the corona crisis could have made a big fight easier to make. It actually makes everything more difficult and complicated because it restricts the amount of money that a sporting event can generate.

Wilder would never have fought AJ, because Haymon wouldn't allow any of his top guys to fight on DAZN.

Because they aren't getting younger and the risk in each fight now is more than before.
It's interesting in the UFC how the no crowd fights are having more underdogs win.
And Haymon should've dealt better with the other promoters because the money isn't as big for another year or two.

[vitali1999]

Joshua letting a promoter tell him when to fight has already cost him one fight. Hearn said he won't fight again till June. So he only has him fighting ever 7 to 8 months. Inactivity is not good for a fighter. But that's yo ass Joshua

[Cool Scant]

How many of them were Deontay Wilder fights?

doesn’t matter Haymon still had the money to cut Mayweather a $100M Cheque the night of the pacquiao fight. So it’s obvious he has $50M.

Speaking of wilder you do know that the second fury fight grossed more money than any fight Hearn as ever promoted. Smh

[Cool Scant]

Because Hearn was quite clearly told, "accept the offer". He didn't want to do that publicly without having any details of what the offer actually was because obviously he wasn’t in a position to know what he was agreeing to. At lease this is Hearn’s position on the matter

That's very different to agreeing on money splits in the short term and agreeing to make further arrangements in good faith later.

It's hard to argue that Hearn didn't want the fight when it was Wilder's team who eventually ended up leaving $100m on the table to go fight Breazeale.



See above re the $100m 3 fight offer. It’s funny that you talk about AJ fans becoming accountants because I distinctly remember Finkle turning down the Joshua fight because he didn’t know what Joshua was getting. Which seems like a weird argument when you then go sniffing for $8m (if it even was that much) to fight Breazeale.


Bringing up the $12.5m is of absolutely no moment when you consider the $100m offer which you seem to be conveniently forgetting to mention.

wow!!! I must be in the twilight zone smh Hearn accepted A 50/50 split fro fury without any details. How is that not the same as accepting an offer AJ asked for with details? Wilders offer $50M 50/50 split is the same as agreeing to splits with fury!!
Wilder turn down the DAZN deal because the same people (Hearn and AJ) who offered him a flat fee equivalent to 12.5% on a fight worth $100M refused to let him know the split. And it’s not weird to want to know what your opponent is getting in a fight of that magnitude it’s actually customary.
I didn’t mention the $100M flat fee because it was b#llŚhit. If that DAZN deal was so good why didn’t AJ and Hearn offer fury that flat fee? Why did the ceo of DAZN apologize to wilder and took responsibility for messing that deal up. Why did all of AJs opponents get percentage splits (except Martin who got 34.4 times his highest payday which was equivalent to a 47% split) but when it’s time to make a fight with wilder Hearn offers flat fee equivalent to 15%? smh Matchroom didn’t want the wilder fight period.

[kafkod]

doesn’t matter Haymon still had the money to cut Mayweather a $100M Cheque the night of the pacquiao fight. So it’s obvious he has $50M.

Speaking of wilder you do know that the second fury fight grossed more money than any fight Hearn as ever promoted. Smh

Lol .. you're such a foolish guy!

[aboutfkntime]

fight top 10 undefeated in their prime fighters Martin, Whyte, Parker, Breazele....and Ko Wlad and Povetkin in half the fights of Wilder - whose best win is against an old past it Ortiz - avoid Wilder and Fury?? Cmon Bro - get real!!

that did not stop them from ducking Wilder

and they have shown little/no genuine interest in Fury

they still got Whyte running block for AJ, like they did with Wilder

[Redgloveman]

wow!!! I must be in the twilight zone smh Hearn accepted A 50/50 split fro fury without any details. How is that not the same as accepting an offer AJ asked for with details? Wilders offer $50M 50/50 split is the same as agreeing to splits with fury!!

Because in legal terms they are completely different. As you point out, one is accepting a "SPLIT" and one is accepting an "OFFER". Sparing some minor details, to create a binding legal contract you need

• an offer
• acceptance of that offer

This doesn't have to be in writing which is why you can create verbal contracts.

In the Wilder case, not only would Hearn be possibly be entering into a binding legal contract of which he wasn't aware of the terms, he would also put himself into an incredibly weak negotiating position which would completely prejudice the interests of his own client (Joshua). You can easily imagine terms entering into the contract that Hearn and Joshua would not be happy with, and Hearn being told "you accepted the offer!", that's not a comfortable position for any business person to be in and frankly you can hardly expect someone to enter into a contract on those grounds.

Compare that with accepting a monetary split with details to be sorted out later... that's NEGOTIATION of the contract, which is standard practice in basically any commercial contract. This happens before you accept the offer.

So, on the one hand you've got entering into a binding legal contract (which the parties will be contractually locked into) and on the other hand you've got continuing with negotiations for a contract (which either party can pull out of at any time).

They are completely different things. Your original argument rested on the fact that they are one and the same, but I'm sure you can see that you're actually on very flimsy ground here.

I didn’t mention the $100M flat fee because it was b#llŚhit. If that DAZN deal was so good why didn’t AJ and Hearn offer fury that flat fee? Why did the ceo of DAZN apologize to wilder and took responsibility for messing that deal up. Why did all of AJs opponents get percentage splits (except Martin who got 34.4 times his highest payday which was equivalent to a 47% split) but when it’s time to make a fight with wilder Hearn offers flat fee equivalent to 15%? smh Matchroom didn’t want the wilder fight period.

Dude, it's ONE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS. At what point do you realise that this is a good deal? If they offered $50 Billion you'd still be saying "yeah, but it's a flat fee tho, no thanks I'm gonna go fight some nobody called Dominic Breazeale for peanuts"

I'm sure that they gave a flat fee so that Wilder would be exposed if he turned it down; which is what happened. A fighter turning down a $100m contract is likely to get more traction in the press.

[tokon]

"If Joshua fights in nov he wont want to fight until june". This is why boxing sucks. These guys make hand over foot and only fight maybe twice a year. In the meantime, they cherry pick their opponents (until they get caught) and drag out real competition. At this point i don't even care if boxing comes back. It will just be the same old same old bs fights.

Then, come June, it's Usyk.
So, if Fury-Wilder goes ahead, and the winner gets an extension on the Whyte mandatory due to the effects of the pandemic, there's still plenty of time.
Realistically, given Joshua's twice a year fight schedule, and dependent upon both sides winning mandatories, November/December 2021 is probably the earliest. Bad time of year for a UK stadium fight . . . .