Has anyone ever been knocked out with a jab?

[_Rexy_]

Kovalev KO'd Yarde with a jab last year didn't he?

[PRINCEKOOL]

Mike Tyson decked Julius Francis with a jab 'And nearly folded Tyrell Biggs in half with his jab'.

But what first sprung to my mind was Michael Watson, stopping Nigel Benn in his tracks etc

[Marchegiano]

Thankyou kindly, man, I wasn't familiar with the term, but I've just spent 20 mins reading through one of Dempsey's descriptions of the jolt and been attempting to re-create it in front of the mirror, much to the amusement of Jr.

Feels almost like a fencing lunge (or what I'd imagine one to feel like) if I got the idea right, but you can definitely feel the power in it.

And yeah I think it's definitely useful to expand our vocabulary with regards to lead hand punches, because so much of what happens in there is actually done on the lead hand and like you say currently all that nuance tends to be conflated down simply to 'jabs' and 'hooks'.

As ever I tip my hat, man, good knowledge. Thankyou.

You reacted the exact same way I had when I first read it

There's something about what Jack describes that begs feeling it. It's cool y'all had fun with it.

[4truth]

Pulev ended Dimetrenko with a jab but that was the Pulev from 8 years ago.

[LoadedWraps]

Yeah bud, y'all must be kinda new huh?

Krusher Kovalev vs Anthony Yarde 24 Aug 2019


Enjoy

New to the sport, huh?

New fans kill me sometimes. Couldn't google or YouTube something like this?

Cats watch like two PPV and act like they are experts but don't realize the rest of us can spot the DKSAB crowd a mile away.

I was hungry af when I first got into boxing. My first thread on BoxingScene is a gem.

[LoadedWraps]

I think that might be a by product of modern boxing designating any straight lead hand punch as a jab without updating as an industry what the uses and effectiveness of a jab can be.

I don't ever see a jolt labeled as such. If you're familiar with them and triggers then you will see them plenty but the broadcaster and sometimes even the fighters and corners call them jabs....so they are jabs now, but, they are a puncher's lead not a boxer's. You're more vulnerable while delivering more power...just like any other punchers' tactic compared to a boxer's.

So in the modern era we see a KO punch lead we call it a jab just like a disrupting punch lead. Even though they're different structurally and intentionally.

As I see it anyway.

adjectives are usually give aways for ****ery and mislabeling. Power has one meaning but we like to describe different types of power instead of using words like force, energy, or work. We use adjectives to adjust the meaning of power. I feel like Jab got the same service. Jolts are called "Thumping" these days. Triggers don't even get mentioned...it's all either good or bad footwork, all ambiguous and **** like steps don't have names. Those adjectives man. "good" footwork is super vague actually. 'thumping' jabs are thumping cause they ain't jabs actually. There is no such thing as having "pushing" power or power that causes movement in anyway, that's force, but we like to use push as an adjective to describe the sort of power me mean because we'd rather not use force, or jolt, or trigger.

I've been around many gyms and never heard those terms used.

A jab can be used in many ways, this is how I was trained. Whether I'm flicking it, putting mustard on it, or just throwing a quick, slightly lazy jab that is basically a feint that doesn't land with a straight right hiding behind it....these are all jabs, everywhere I've been.

Footwork is vague because boxing isn't textbook instruction, despite this being the early method of sharing anything at all. What you learn is largely local and / or germaine to your trainer, gym, etc. I have no interest in explaining in great detail on a forum what can be explained in minutes in person. In person is where the learning takes place, you can read it a thousand times and not know what you are doing without not just application but, as my trainer would put it, "escuela de combate". Good footwork, if you know what it is, you can spot it immediately, and vica versa. Of course it's vague, you're constantly in movement. What the "right" answer is depends on your opponent and the circumstances, and even then there can be more than one good approach.

Triggers, I feel you are really just referring to things like feints, either with the foot or hands. Subtle adjustments and movements with my lead foot, lead hand, power hand, and head have many applications. I can be setting traps, I can be feinting to hide shots behind, I could be easing you where I want you to be in the ring, I could simply be distracting you. Sometimes I play with my right with the expectation that you are expecting a straight because I appear that I'm telegraphing but I'm not - the jab is coming while I lulled you to sleep with what I want you to see. Posturing is also big here. I do many things in the ring to simply communicate something to you. It's often meaningless beyond the mind games of a few seconds. Sometimes it isn't. You're ability to read me is my downfall, it's my goal to stay two steps ahead of you in all regards.

[tophat1]

I can't remember if it was the finish of the fight but I remember bowe dropping hide with a jab

[Marchegiano]

I've been around many gyms and never heard those terms used.

A jab can be used in many ways, this is how I was trained. Whether I'm flicking it, putting mustard on it, or just throwing a quick, slightly lazy jab that is basically a feint that doesn't land with a straight right hiding behind it....these are all jabs, everywhere I've been.

Footwork is vague because boxing isn't textbook instruction, despite this being the early method of sharing anything at all. What you learn is largely local and / or germaine to your trainer, gym, etc. I have no interest in explaining in great detail on a forum what can be explained in minutes in person. In person is where the learning takes place, you can read it a thousand times and not know what you are doing without not just application but, as my trainer would put it, "escuela de combate". Good footwork, if you know what it is, you can spot it immediately, and vica versa. Of course it's vague, you're constantly in movement. What the "right" answer is depends on your opponent and the circumstances, and even then there can be more than one good approach.

Triggers, I feel you are really just referring to things like feints, either with the foot or hands. Subtle adjustments and movements with my lead foot, lead hand, power hand, and head have many applications. I can be setting traps, I can be feinting to hide shots behind, I could be easing you where I want you to be in the ring, I could simply be distracting you. Sometimes I play with my right with the expectation that you are expecting a straight because I appear that I'm telegraphing but I'm not - the jab is coming while I lulled you to sleep with what I want you to see. Posturing is also big here. I do many things in the ring to simply communicate something to you. It's often meaningless beyond the mind games of a few seconds. Sometimes it isn't. You're ability to read me is my downfall, it's my goal to stay two steps ahead of you in all regards.

Well, bud, honestly if you're curious you should learn about it from Dempsey or some other qualified teacher. If you go to a gym ask a coach about Dempsey's jolt.


Trigger was just short fro Trigger Step. It's kind of a part of the jolt but isn't exclusive to the jolt.

[LoadedWraps]

Well, bud, honestly if you're curious you should learn about it from Dempsey or some other qualified teacher. If you go to a gym ask a coach about Dempsey's jolt.


Trigger was just short fro Trigger Step. It's kind of a part of the jolt but isn't exclusive to the jolt.

Lol as I suspected this is something I already can do, it just isn't a term I'm familiar with. More or the the point I was trying to convey in that long winded post is, labels are just labels, things have different names.

[Marchegiano]

Lol as I suspected this is something I already can do, it just isn't a term I'm familiar with. More or the the point I was trying to convey in that long winded post is, labels are just labels, things have different names.

You were clear actually, but, that's why I didn't want to try to explain it myself. I figured someone qualified speaks your language. You might watch a YT video or read Dempsey's book and translate it yourself but if you have a regular gym with regular coaching staff then that guy knows you and what terms directly translate. He'd just like Oh, that the X jab or whatever the ****.

I have to admit I'm a little disappointed. You responded so quickly I thought you watched a YT video and were going to tell us what modern terms you know it as. I'm be very interested.

Sorry I came off *****y, I see what you mean, it can be taken as me trying to shield myself with authority but no that's not it, I just want you to tell me what you'd call what dempsey is describing without me having possibly ****ed it up.


Because I am not confident in saying I know all the different names both historical and modern for the different jabs so if I explain his jolt and flirt into territory that's close to something else you might pick up on I didn't know about you can come back to me with a ****ed modernized term and it'd be my fault because I gave you an ignorant explanation.