What makes Lomachenko an all time great?

[Citizen Koba]

That's reasonable. But it doesn't change the fact that lesser fighters have achieved ATG status.

Really, I have no problem with what you are saying, in spirit. But the fact of the matter remains, change ALSO means that fighters don't have to fight hundreds of fights across decades to be great. It's kinda unrealistic, in fact, to expect anyone to be a Champion of a division, and have numerous title defenses.

My issue is that people wish to ignore the fact that Lomachenko, aside from having ridiculous skills, has also made history. It's like those people who regularly eat at McDonalds and then get pissed off when goingto a fine restaurant because they have to pay so much money for so little food. Believe me, that still happens. Far as I'm concerned Lomachenko is already an ATG amateur boxer, and therefore in one respect already an ATG boxer (the metrics and accomplishments by which amateur boxing can be measured are rather more starightforward given the structure of the sport) but whether he is eventually considered an ATG pro boxer will depend partly on the standards and accomplishments of those who come after. By the standards of the 80s or 90s he has too few fights, has titled in too few divisions and beaten too few big 'names', but if the trends we've seen over the last few decades continue those who come after may have even fewer fighters, even fewer big names to fight and so on.


I ask anyone to provide me a list of proven greats they would like to rank over Lomachenko and we can compare records. I fully concede his story is not fully written. Things could, theoretically, take a turn for the worse at any time. What then? But with what we have to work with, the dude can't be touched.

That bit about fighters fighting less frequently is precisely one of the points I'm making.... fighters now are going to have to be judged by different standards precisely because they are fighting less often, because of the plethora of titles available - because (although I'm sure many of our historians will slaughter me for this) there's also far fewer literal journeyman and part timers on the ledgers of top level fighters than their were at times of peak boxing (and often peak unemployment) historically. Times are different thus standards for what an 'ATG' is and how it is judged must also be in transition.

You seem to be running with the idea that perhaps I'm saying Lomachenko isn't an ATG or won't be one, when in fact all I'm doing is opening the debate on what the question actually means and the parameters by which it should be judged.

[TonyGe]

Oh yeah, too bad you weren't around to tell that to journalists and pundits in decades past. It's always been a thing.

Funny you should mention that. I was around in past decades. That's one reason I'm not jumping on the bandwagon at this point in time. I have no problem with other people rating active fighters. You don't need my approval that's just how I rate fighters. Sorry you feel threatened enough to reply to my post in a sarcastic manner but I put that down to a lack of self confidence more than ignorance. Carry on.

[Nay_Sayer]

LMAO this dude is STILL at it....

LMAO....

Please name Lomafako's three best wins. And when you're done, please explain why those wins make a good argument for Lomafako's "ATG" status.

We're waiting...

[Rusty Tromboni]

That bit about fighters fighting less frequently is precisely one of the points I'm making.... fighters now are going to have to be judged by different standards precisely because they are fighting less often, because of the plethora of titles available - because (although I'm sure many of our historians will slaughter me for this) there's also far fewer literal journeyman and part timers on the ledgers of top level fighters than their were at times of peak boxing (and often peak unemployment) historically. Times are different thus standards for what an 'ATG' is and how it is judged must also be in transition.

You seem to be running with the idea that perhaps I'm saying Lomachenko isn't an ATG or won't be one, when in fact all I'm doing is opening the debate on what the question actually means and the parameters by which it should be judged.

Yeah, I agree with all of that.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Funny you should mention that. I was around in past decades. That's one reason I'm not jumping on the bandwagon at this point in time. I have no problem with other people rating active fighters. You don't need my approval that's just how I rate fighters. Sorry you feel threatened enough to reply to my post in a sarcastic manner but I put that down to a lack of self confidence more than ignorance. Carry on.

You're adorable.


This is Lomachenko we're talking about, not Mac Foster.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Please name Lomafako's three best wins. And when you're done, please explain why those wins make a good argument for Lomafako's "ATG" status.

We're waiting...

I'd actually say Campbell and Pedraza should be top 3.

But i'll say Rigo, Junior and Linares.


I'd love to see you name 10 fighters each with 3 better scalps.

I know Bobo Olson ain't better than any of them.

[Lomadeaux]

Please name Lomafako's three best wins. And when you're done, please explain why those wins make a good argument for Lomafako's "ATG" status.

We're waiting...

Bro you can hate him all you want. You're weird... He's made undefeated champions quit on the stool. You're a clown if you don't think that's impressive..

The thing is now .. he's fighting Lopez. You won't admit beating Lopez is impressive.... That's how ****ing sad you are.

[ReggieKray]

Loma getting knocked down. https://gfycat.com/plushflimsygangesdolphin

[Goldie]

That's funny.

I always see names like Ali , Robinson, Langford, Armstrong and Mayweather on top of lists when there have CLEARLY been much better fighters, often fighting at the same time.

Guys like Gans and Johnson are still ranked on top 10 lists from their division, for God knows what reason... of yeah, because they were Black.

Leave it to a Black guy to explain it away based on skin tone. The lady doeth protest too much, methinks.

Seriously, you can't even name a guy, regardless of color, who has ever looked as good as Lomachenko. No fighter ever beats Fury... he ran through Wilder in 7 rounds. You really think Ali, Foreman, Lewis, Holmes last that long!?!?!?

These guys are the best we've seen. Plain and simple. It's not THEIR FAULT you don't understand Boxing.

Lol at these caveman delusions. You people are sad and funny at the same time.

“ Seriously, you can't even name a guy, regardless of color, who has ever looked as good as Lomachenko.”

Lol the same guy Who got caught with a 5-7 punch combo while going life and death with Linares. Also got dropped by a straight right hand. Linares is a b fighter and had dude in trouble. He hasn’t even fought anyone on Linares’s level since.

Great white hype.

[Nay_Sayer]

I'd actually say Campbell and Pedraza should be top 3.

But i'll say Rigo, Junior and Linares.

So, is it your argument that beating those three names makes Lomafako worthy of ATG consideration?