What makes Lomachenko an all time great?

[Nay_Sayer]

Not by BEATING them.
By Out-classing them


He didn't BEAT those guys, he outclassed them to the point they looked like amateurs. Literally.

That's why he's the best we've ever seen. Narrowly surpassing Pep. Duran and Jofre aren't too far off, of course. Gomez, Robinson, Whitaker, Leonard they all got slotted just one tier below that.

Lol

I see now that my debate is with a Lomafako nuthugger of the first order.

Was Lomafako "outclassing" Linares when Linares put him on his ass?

Yep, Lomafako was certainly making Linares look like an amateur the whole time he was down on the canvas with that blank look on his face.

And what about the Salido fight? Shall we consider that as another example of a Lomafako oppoenent having been "outclassed" too? LOL

Polishing Lomafako's nutsack with your tongue isn't a good look...

[Nay_Sayer]

I don't concern myself with mother ****ers sittin in the cheap seats.

You're a hating hoe... Loma is gonna beat Lopez, and you'll still be talking **** about him.

Dude makes undefeated champions quit on the stool and you're asking about his best wins.

You're a dumb mother ****er.

I might be a dumb mother****er - but I'm cool with that just as long as I'm not quite as r3tarded as you.

Nut huggery ain't a good look, Einstein.

Now, back on topic - and try to keep up, Genius.

Exactly WHO has Lomafako beaten?

[Nay_Sayer]

Conversely, Frazier was smaller than Ali. Shorter and at least 10 pounds lighter.

LMAO

Joe Frazier is 1000 times the fighter Lomafako or Lopez will ever hope to be. His win over Ali eclipses anything Lomafako could ever hope to accomplish - ever. The fact that you would compare Lopez to Frazier only demonstrates how utterly and completely clueless you and the rest of the Lomafako nuthugging crowd is. Fanboism to the Nth power..

[BoxingIsGreat]

The Loma fanboys will disgust anyone who is neutral about Loma, even those who somewhat like him, or his real fans. Easy on the hype, yo. Overhyping attracts haters.

[BoxingIsGreat]

LMAO

Joe Frazier is 1000 times the fighter Lomafako or Lopez will ever hope to be. His win over Ali eclipses anything Lomafako could ever hope to accomplish - ever. The fact that you would compare Lopez to Frazier only demonstrates how utterly and completely clueless you and the rest of the Lomafako nuthugging crowd is. Fanboism to the Nth power..

Bro, I know you are one of the top critics of Golovkin, but I thought you liked Loma early on. What happened? Or did I get the wrong guy?

And, yes, I know who you are responding to. That guy is nuts.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Very good way to look at it Lopez

Yeah, I'd say that.







If I were ******ed.

Hope you realize that Joe was fighting blind in one eye for some of your mentioned fights. Wonder if he had 2 eyes vs 1 to fight with.....?
Point being that there are so many things that people fail to even know. It isnt always in the ring that ish goes down to affect a boxers performance...you know what I mean Jabroni

Try not talking for a while. That way no one will know you're an idiot.

Armstrong has names on his resume.
So does Robinson.
So does Ali.
So does Foreman,.
So does Leonard.
So does Jones.
So does Mayweather.

Exactly WHO has Lomafako beaten?

Oh yeah? What names? Name one fighter each of them beat as good as Rigo.

Lol

I see now that my debate is with a Lomafako nuthugger of the first order.

Was Lomafako "outclassing" Linares when Linares put him on his ass?

Yep, Lomafako was certainly making Linares look like an amateur the whole time he was down on the canvas with that blank look on his face.

And what about the Salido fight? Shall we consider that as another example of a Lomafako oppoenent having been "outclassed" too? LOL

Polishing Lomafako's nutsack with your tongue isn't a good look...

I might be a dumb mother****er - but I'm cool with that just as long as I'm not quite as r3tarded as you.

Nut huggery ain't a good look, Einstein.

Now, back on topic - and try to keep up, Genius.

Exactly WHO has Lomafako beaten?

So you've never watched the fight.

Cool.

I see a lot of you weirdos around here.

Since you don't watch Boxing what weight did you compete at? Out of which gym? What hardware did you rack up?

LMAO

Joe Frazier is 1000 times the fighter Lomafako or Lopez will ever hope to be. His win over Ali eclipses anything Lomafako could ever hope to accomplish - ever. The fact that you would compare Lopez to Frazier only demonstrates how utterly and completely clueless you and the rest of the Lomafako nuthugging crowd is. Fanboism to the Nth power..

1000!?

*****, you can't even count to 100.

I still laugh thinking about Joe hitting the deck against Bonavena. You'd think it was Ringo's first time wearing gloves. And the foreman fights! WTF was that!?!?

No wonder Ckancy threw that two bit whore to the curb.

The bob and weave what was that? Explain it to me. You have so much Boxing experience WTF was Joe doing? Where was his body attack? Where was his right hand? Where was his DEFENSE!?!?

And, yes, I know who you are responding to. That guy HAS nuts.

FIXED.

You hear your mom saying I HAVE nuts. She loves to lick them. She knows if she doesn't she's getting an.al, but still her face says it all... she gets pure bliss taking her tongue to my bowling ball sized sweaty meat sack.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Why can't any of these f4ggitz criticizing Lomachenko name anyone who's looked better in the ring?

If you have a problem, be a man and just settle it, right?

But I suspect they've got a better chance learning who their real fathers are than I have of getting a straight answer from them.

[Larry the boss]

Alright, you might sound ******, but I actually don't think you are. At least you are man enough to clarify what you mean.

But seriously dude, have you seen Joe Frazier fight? I get a lot of loud mouths on here telling me about fighters they've never seen before. It's fu.cking weird. A lot of weird shyte goes on around here.

- Size matters:
Lopez is BIGGER than Lomachenko. It's actually really unusual for Featherweights to compete at Lightweight. That just tends to be a bridge too far. Pep tried it and lost - it was a little reckless, of course, fighting a top 5 Lw like Angott cold. Saddler, who really was a Lightweight, never even tried it. Everyone talks bout Sanchez's jaw, but would it have looked so impressive if he fought Arguello at 135? Rosario? Tendler?

Conversely, Frazier was smaller than Ali. Shorter and at least 10 pounds lighter. Even Quarry - who was absolutely amazing a very dangerous, but still too small to be fighting great Heavyweights - had him on the back foot early in their fight.
That leads to my next point:

- Joe could be hurt:

Not only did Quarry give hi ma scare, Bonavena dropped Frazier in their first fight. Joe swept the cards, but here's an Olympic Gold Medalist getting dropped by a journeyman.

Ali was actually pillow-fisted. Watch his fight with Mildenberger, then the rematch with Frazier. He almost stopped Joe in the 2nd round!

Foreman is a scary dude, but Joe couldn't even get himself into that fight. In fact, it was never a fight it was always a beatdown. Joe being able to beat Ali, and Foreman failing to do so shows that Frazier was more skilled. But the outcome of their fight showed Foreman was more dangerous.

- Joe's power is overrated and he started dangerously slow: He threw A LOT of leather. He didn't just ruin Mathis, Quarry, and Ali's careers, he ruined their long-term health. His stoppage of of Chuvalo is so gruesome it's beautiful. Bob Foster was so scary that the boogeyman would check under his bed for Bob Foster before going to bed at night, and yet Foster looked like some bum pulled off the street against Frazier. But Frazier was a volume puncher. He had fabulous footwork, some of the best ever, but his assault was more about quantity over quality. Lopez appears to be able to end a fight at any point. And perhaps most importantly he's definitely not a slow-starter, like Joe!


I am not saying Lopez is more skilled than Frazier, but he is far more dangerous, he has advanced at a far more rapid pace, and he's a bigger man with a MUCH bigger punch.


I could do the same with Maxim and Tarver, but I think it's unnecessary. I am just pointing out how DANGEROUS, not how skilled, Lopez is.

you said Ali was pillow fisted? he had a 60 percent ko percentage..not bad at all

Lopez has beat??? you slam proven boxers but try to praise someone who just a year ago was considered a joke?? who has he beat that changed peoples minds??"not saying he isnt a decent boxer" But why are on here trying to make him so elite, hall of famer?

Lopez has 15 damn fights and you are literally now trying to make him better then Frazier and Tarver?

[Citizen Koba]

Why can't any of these f4ggitz criticizing Lomachenko name anyone who's looked better in the ring?

If you have a problem, be a man and just settle it, right?

But I suspect they've got a better chance learning who their real fathers are than I have of getting a straight answer from them.

Lomachenko looks sublime, man, unfortunately greatness more usually requires that you beat someone great... which is big ask in this age of internet cynicism, niche popularity and 1 or 2 fights a year. If fans acknowledge no 'greats' any more how can we produce 'all time greats'?

Nah, as I suggested earlier Boxing's eyes are perpetually turned backwards, always reminiscing over a fantastical golden age when men were real men and greats fought for pride and honour... the death of boxing is proclaimed every single generation with as much predictability as every generation of men bemoan the effiminacy and lack of character of the younger generation (and I suspect for much the same reasons).

Like I said before, best leave this shet to the historians of the future. I suspect when all is said and done Lomachenko will ultimately be seen as one of the real standouts of this generation when compared to his contemporaries, but as of right now Loma, and every other fighter of this generation will suffer by comparison to fighters of boxing's 'glorious' past.

[QueensburyRules]

- -Loma already considered the best amateur ever. The only one close might be Laszlo Papp.

Laszlo also has a undefeated pro record with Loma being a record setting pro, but sissies gonna cry and moaners gonna moan.

That's why they have minders!