Comments Thread For: Jerry Forrest On Jarrell Miller's PED Use: "That's Attemped Murder In My Eyes"

[Tecnoworld]

Hm, forrest was destroyed by Washington.

[Boxingfanatic75]

Most deaths in the ring happen at the lower levels of boxing where testing is not as required or instituted. So we don’t know who is hot and who is not and because of that you don’t know if the deaths that happened in the ring were PED caused or not.

Fact is PEDs do give an unfair advantage over the other guy in a sport that the objective is to hurt the other guy. Having an unfair advantage can compromise the other guys health. That’s fact.

But in your mind PEDs in boxing is totally acceptable and there is nothing wrong with it at all.

I never said PEDs were acceptable. And yes they do give an unfair advantage. However to state that they could compromise the opposition’s health or they could cause a death or have caused death is a farse. There’s has yet to be proven a death in the ring caused by steroids. Again it doesn’t happen.

[Boxingfanatic75]

The problem is that "just one" would be one too many and nobody wants to wait for that before truly addressing the problem.

To be fair, there hasn't been a death in the ring due to steroid use that we know of, however I'm sure there have been fights where a PED user won a fight that they would have lost otherwise.

Just put yourself in a fighter's shoes for a second:

You're fighting the fight of your life and you're up on the cards. You get your opponent in trouble and start emptying your tank to finish him off. On a level playing field, you probably win by stoppage but your opponent has super-human strength and stamina due to PEDs. He comes roaring back to stop you with a sudden burst out of nowhere and you can't figure out how he did it. That doesn't sound fair to me.

I can buy your argument and it’s well thought out.

[Boxingfanatic75]

Well, that's an asinine way to determine anything, considering the richer fighters can afford to take drugs and get away with it.

Lance Armstrong was the most drug tested athlete on the planet & didn't fail tests for like 10 years.

We don't know how many fighters have been maimed & killed by guys who were roided up or had HGH.

How many of these fights have been VADA tested?

How many of the fighers were apart of the 24/7/365 program?

Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.

Thank god courts of law don’t operate under that assumption. I do get what you’re saying though.

[True-Boxing-Fan]

I never said PEDs were acceptable. And yes they do give an unfair advantage. However to state that they could compromise the opposition’s health or they could cause a death or have caused death is a farse. There’s has yet to be proven a death in the ring caused by steroids. Again it doesn’t happen.

How do you know it hasn’t happened. Show me a an article or whatever you’d like to show PEDs have never caused a death in the ring.

Like I said most all deaths in the ring occur at the lower levels of boxing where testing is not required or is very sparse. So how do you know any death in the ring was not caused by the opponent being hot.

Show me an article where it states that any deaths in the ring were not cause by the fighter being hot.

[KillaCamNZ]

Well, that's an asinine way to determine anything, considering the richer fighters can afford to take drugs and get away with it.

Lance Armstrong was the most drug tested athlete on the planet & didn't fail tests for like 10 years.

We don't know how many fighters have been maimed & killed by guys who were roided up or had HGH.

How many of these fights have been VADA tested?

How many of the fighers were apart of the 24/7/365 program?

Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.

Very, very well said, and your last line is a very fine summary.

[Boxingfanatic75]

How do you know it hasn’t happened. Show me a an article or whatever you’d like to show PEDs have never caused a death in the ring.

Like I said most all deaths in the ring occur at the lower levels of boxing where testing is not required or is very sparse. So how do you know any death in the ring was not caused by the opponent being hot.

Show me an article where it states that any deaths in the ring were not cause by the fighter being hot.

Wait, this is an article written to that extent and you’re defending it. Ok that’s fair....the onus is on you to prove or show PEDs have caused a death in the ring (to prove the negative). Criminal law doesn’t work the way you’re attempting to twist this around. The state (in this instance you) must prove PEDs have caused a death before one can make the statement they could cause death.

[REDEEMER]

Forrest was informed Miller was probably dirty before he went through with the fight but took it anyway thinking he’d still win .

Now that it’s officially confirmed he’s just making points so those saying it’s not a big deal you don’t care well, you aren’t fighting for a secure top 10 spot and your career isn’t on the line. Ha


I’m pretty sure they have to care and take note what fighters are taking illegally ,they aren’t forum posters .

[JakeTheBoxer]

Miller is the biggest idi.ot in sport ever.