Roy vs Collins Calzaghi Eubanks

[DreamFighter]

You do the honorable thing and fight, you don't just not fight! What the **** is that about! At least be honest and say Calzaghe looked too good when you started studying him a few weeks before the fight!

thats not the honest thing, thats the issue.

Collins would have taken him apart.

Warren and Joe needed him out of the picture.

[DreamFighter]

As if Eubank ever took orders from anyone.

He'd of got more respect for losing than winning, so let Calzaghe and Thompson go the distance instead of stopping them. He only made his comeback for respect, to 'take his beatings'.

he turned up for an extra paycheck.

sure he is always committed in fights but he had no intention of winning back a title (of that body) he had done more with that anyone else.

you can tell from the late rally when he was finally hurting joe.

[coghaugen]

Jones and Toney wouldn't fight him at this point, so he got his kudos going to war with a Calzaghe at late notice and Cruiser Carl T

[W1LL]

yes calzaghe was nothing at the time, Steve was right - theres nothing that negates Warren and Joe using his name for status.

And it came to pass true too, Cazaghe took another 10 years to win a title that was recognised. His name would have meant nothing for another 10 years to Steve.

What you say is conjecture. It is pretty clear you know nothing of what you speak. Joe Calzaghe was mandated and fully prepared to fight Steve Collins for the WBO World Super Middleweight title. The Collins camp stalled the fight, then pulled out before a date could be set. For a time Calzaghe was fully expecting to go through Collins to win the title. There was no "using name for status", as you put it. It is pretty clear you are trying to slander Joe in any way you can, when you don't know what you're talking about. Very sad that you have to fabricate a narrative to discredit Joe. If you want to talk about Boxing you should learn your subject matter.

[coghaugen]

What you say is conjecture. It is pretty clear you know nothing of what you speak. Joe Calzaghe was mandated and fully prepared to fight Steve Collins for the WBO World Super Middleweight title. The Collins camp stalled the fight, then pulled out before a date could be set. For a time Calzaghe was fully expecting to go through Collins to win the title. There was no "using name for status", as you put it. It is pretty clear you are trying to slander Joe in any way you can, when you don't know what you're talking about. Very sad that you have to fabricate a narrative to discredit Joe. If you want to talk about Boxing you should learn your subject matter.

The date/venue/card was set, fight announced and advertised for months and both were training for the fight. Everyone was looking forward to it, then Collins strangely pulled out 12 or 13 days before the fight to announce his retirement! Eubank stepped in to save the day.

Also Collins was the bookies and pundits favourite.

[DreamFighter]

What you say is conjecture. It is pretty clear you know nothing of what you speak. Joe Calzaghe was mandated and fully prepared to fight Steve Collins for the WBO World Super Middleweight title. The Collins camp stalled the fight, then pulled out before a date could be set. For a time Calzaghe was fully expecting to go through Collins to win the title. There was no "using name for status", as you put it. It is pretty clear you are trying to slander Joe in any way you can, when you don't know what you're talking about. Very sad that you have to fabricate a narrative to discredit Joe. If you want to talk about Boxing you should learn your subject matter.

yet its joe repeating the pattern every year of facing a name and then instead facing mediocrity, and collins never doing it.

its clear you want to reverse the facts.

[Boxxymcboxface]

Jones beats all of em in his prime

[HeadBodyBodyBody]

yet its joe repeating the pattern every year of facing a name and then instead facing mediocrity, and collins never doing it.

its clear you want to reverse the facts.

Collins didn't want the fight, whatever way you shake it

[DreamFighter]

Collins didn't want the fight, whatever way you shake it

thats right

[CraigM]

You can't rewrite history to make it look like Collins wanted to fight Calzaghe... he said himself

"This fight doesn't appeal to me. Calzaghe is a very good fighter, but he doesn't bring a reputation or a title, and that's no disrespect to him.

"There's no money in it. People haven't heard of Calzaghe. I'd go in there with a low battery. And a 2,000 arena? I get more than that at my weigh-ins."

It's clear that Collins preferred to retire than risk losing against someone he considered to be a too high risk low reward, he was happy to fight Seillier 8 months earlier who had never fought in the UK before that point, but it is less risk.

Collins had a good career, but it isn't Calzaghe's fault Collins didn't want to fight him.

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On the main point, Roy Jones would've beaten Calzaghe and anyone else at the time of his peak.