Is Gennady Golovkin Overrated or Underrated?

[KayDub]

Forget the forum on this topic, full of idiots.

I think overall - he is rated about right, maybe marginally overrated.

Let me explain...

He will go down as a first ballot HOFer, for me he definitely is a HOFer but I think many people have him as one of the greatest middleweights of all time, I've heard it banded around quite a lot in boxing media and I dont agree with that, he simply did not prove.

I think he was vastly overrated pre-Brook fight, but since that fight he has proved himself, he has proved he is elite but he also proved he is not a destroyer of good fighters. He doesnt overwhelm elite fighters, he competes with them, and generally ends up in close, either way fights. His skills and speed are B+ and B respectively, but his stamina, IQ, power, consistency are all up there.

But at the end of the day you are a sum of what you accomplished, he had a lengthy reign, which didnt mean much, mostly C and D level fighters, he did show that he is consistent in that phase of his career. But ultimately he would be judged on his win over Jacob's, which was a very close fight, the two Canelo fights, for me both either way fights, maybe you'd lean his way in the first, and Derv which was also very close.

Here is the thing, I think he had All Time Greatness in the palm of his hand in the second Canelo fight and let it go. I said this in the aftermath and whenever I discuss the fight. I think GGG has the ability to take Canelo into deep waters and drown him, but he chose to box and move (well), he just doesnt seem to have the mentality to go for it from Round 1 and let it all go. I strongly feel, in a war of attrition he would outlast Canelo and stop him late. In that second fight, he had a Canelo who was moving towards him and he himself decided to box, he let the moment slip.

So overall - great fighter, he has proved that, even if you call those Canelo fights same as judges. Just not what he was cracked up to be before he stepped his competition up. If you matched him with all the belt holders over the past 25 years, he would win a lot more than he'd lose, but he would certainly lose some. If you matched him with a prime hopkins, I think hes a level below that.

Another moment he missed was moving up to compete with Ward.

Would've been a much better look to move up and lose against Ward than what ended up happening.

[TonyGe]

Yo Curt.

Still waiting on your list that proves GGG is a bum. You know, how you claimed "it's all relative" and ****.

You think GGG is good now though huh? but also feel its necessary to call him a ****ing bum too so which is it?

You tell me cuz I've been waiting for all those MW who are better than GGG during his career. Been waiting since what, 2 or 3 days ago? Which is SO ****ING FUNNY

So what kind of guys did GGG avoid huh? Please present that list too. Because I'm dying to see how many names are on it.

Yeah cuz all GGG does well is jab

Nothing about his

Timing
Chin
Workrate
Stamina
Power
Ability to cut off the ring

Its so funny seeing you try and talk boxing. If what you said is true then Canelo would have adapted his plan in the first fight where anyone with a brain and who wasnt bought saw him lose wide. You think it would have been smart to bring that plan again?

****. No one believed that Canelo would bring the fight to GGG even his biggest fangirls. They all believed that he did enough to WIN/DRAW the first time.

Canelos best shot was ALWAYS to bring the fight to GGG because GGG is susceptible to combinations. Look at all the fighters GGG has "struggled" with.

And guess what Canelos best punch is? His lead hook. Lead hooks dont counter jabs. You wanna talk about "body shots" how many of those do you think were lead hooks?

Canelos plan was to break down GGG with body shots so hopefully he could land something more meaningful. And why wouldnt you do that when you are the fighter with superior hand speed and reflexes.

Come on Curt. You got to do better than that.

Make beleive doesnt translate into actual boxing.

Great post. Canelo's fight plan was all wrong. His corner could see exactly what you said and was telling him to get off the ropes. Then Sanchez who is supposed to be the master planner eggs Canelo on to fight the rematch where he was the most effective, in the center of the ring. For crying out loud what was he thinking.

[R-Hand Southpaw]

Great post. Canelo's fight plan was all wrong. His corner could see exactly what you said and was telling him to get off the ropes. Then Sanchez who is supposed to be the master planner eggs Canelo on to fight the rematch where he was the most effective, in the center of the ring. For crying out loud what was he thinking.

He probably wasnt thinking. The biggest question mark between Canelo vs GGG 1 was could Canelo handle GGGs shots?

The answer after the first fight was yes. Yeah they hurt but he didnt get overwhelmed like everyone else.

Imagine you're GGG in the 2nd fight. The whole time you trained to fight Canelo the same way you did the first time and he comes out with a COMPLETELY different game plan. I watched a lot of what came out with GGG and Sanchez and they were training to deal with Canelo moving.

Problem then became Sanchez had no answer. He literally kept telling GGG to go forward and fight the younger, faster fighter, in a battle of short range which is NOT GGGs best range.

GGGs best range is mid range right at the end of his jab. Like most Euro fighters GGG does not excell at infighting. Canelo isnt that great either but having faster hands and combinations. Big plus.

So what did GGG do? GGG began to box which I think suprised a lot of people including myself. Most forward going pressure fighters dont do good fighting on their back foot but GGG did GREAT. IMO there were many times where GGG was out boxing Canelo.

I I that Canelo just recieved the benefit of the doubt. He won the narrative and for many people that was good enough.

Anyone who follows GGG knows exactly why GGG dropped Abel. Abel did GGG wrong and GGG knew it too. The key to success wasnt to try and bully Canelo (the one from the second fight) but to outbox and outwork Canelo. Thing is though when a boxer enters training camp they train for specific things theyll do or see. HIGHLY doubt sanchez was forcing GGG to box so great to see him fall back on his amateur background.

That's why he went with Banks too. He wanted Banks to teach him to box which IMO I dont really agree with. I get what he wants to do but I dont think Banks is the guy and I think it's a little late too. He doesn't need to drastically change his style, just add a little more movement.

He still highly effective but needs someone who is a great planner. Well executed game plans can win fights and that's what GGG needs.

[KillaMane26]

Both........

[KillaMane26]

He both at the same time.....

He overrated cuz he was hyped too much while fighting bums etcm

Underrated cuz he has the skills and end up getting good fights at the end of his career and gave Canelo 2 controversial fights.

[aboutfkntime]

put it this way...


all of that... " anyone from 154-168 "... talk, was garbage

all of that... " Golovkin knocks out heavyweights "... talk, was garbage

all that... " Golovkin will destroy Canelo "... talk, was garbage

all of that... " Golovkin would beat Hagler, Hopkins, Monzon "... talk, was garbage


the fact is, despite all of that bullshlt... and despite all of those promises... and despite the fact that in this very thread even Golovkin fans admit that he underachieved and does not have a great resume... Golovkin fell short of HIS OWN hype... so yea, he was over-rated

#underachiever

[Blond Beast]

I remember when he fought Postol in his USA debut. At the time he was hyped up and got lots of credit for the stoppage win. Rightfully so. But watching it back last week for the first time since, I could notice the flaws that are glaring today. He blocked punches with his face even back then. He also missed a lot. He really just pushes forward without setting much up. I thought I’d see good skills that have since eroded today but not so much. Canelo’s talent wise is way ahead of what ggg was at 30yrs old. GGG can take and give a punch, but he really doesn’t add any other wrinkles to his skill set.

[Roadblock]

Also dont forget his amateur career over 300 fights will take there toll on the body, just the grind of training for that many bouts is intense for a long time, GGG is on the verge of being worn out, over all he has done a lot in the sport.

[BodyBagz]

agree totally....and that 2nd fight was the type of fight he begged canelo to fight...canelo happily obliged him

going into the first fight i believe canelo was giving golovkin credit and the benefit of the doubt that he was as strong and good as advertised...and in the 2nd fight he was not afraid of anything golovkin could do to him...i think he bought into the myth and then realized it just wasnt that true

i do believe golovkin is good....but he got by beating up guys like curtis stevens...who lost to legit d level club fighters....

the golovkin super fans swear that jab, which as you mentioned was really all he did well, is some measure of immense success.....in boxing youre gonna have to give/give up something to get something....what punch do you think canelo would want golovkin to be throwing? and alot of? my guess is he would want golovkin throwing jabs

Super fans are incapable of being honest.

[Vlad_]

This poll is dependent on how many Canelo **** riders vote in here.