If GGG was a legacy fighter he would handle Derevyanchenko first

[Citizen Koba]

if you want to argue when/why/how fights did or didnt happen anyone can make an argument to defend anyone basically.....

fact of the matter is lara would have been his best win during that time frame....biggest/best name on the resume

golovkin and his team may have been pursing better fights...bigger fights...but it was quite some time until he got one after lara was trying to get a fight with him.....at some point you cant sit around and hope/wait for one to materialize...you have to go out and beat someone and get people to notice you...lara was #1@154 and was fighting on spike.....he wasnt commanding huge paydays...although hed have prob wanted fair market price and wasnt taking 100k to fight golovkin obviously

thats the problem with golovkins fans...they excuse everything he ever did and blame everything else and everyone else....the networks...the money....the other fighters.....he was being pushed by HBO hard and they could have done better....

but golovkins fans will excuse everything that ever happened to him and then claim ward was ducking a guy who got smoked by froch and has 5 L's to his name lol...i know you didnt do that personally but i know youve seen it....and thats the type...you may not go on the offensive with other fighters...but youre as equally as defensive as that type

ha ha. Well for sure anyone can defend anything, same as the way anyone can take a dump on any career if they got a mind which is a point I regularly make. But you should surely know this cos you do it yourself quite regularly for the fighters you like or dislike. I can't imagine it'll be long before you're finding a reason why a meh kinda fight is acceptable for some reason or why a dude you like doesn't need to fight this guy or that.

Maybe you're right though, it does bother me when dudes start calling a fighter I followed from before he was big some kinda hype job or whatever, especially when I saw all the efforts they made to get bigger fights and all the ones that fell through. I try to be objective but at the end of the day we all got our biases and our favourites.. Seems to me Golovkin does get an undue amount of criticism on here, but then he ain't the first and I'm sure he won't be the last. The Lara thing though... ha ha... well I guess if that's the smoking gun that critics think buries GGG I probably shouldn't be fussed.

And maybe I am defensive although of course from my perspective I'd just say I'm being consistent and fair. Same way you tie yourself in knots defending PBC and anything related I guess, cept I manage to support the dudes I like without putting down other fighters. Makes it easier to keep things straight and narrow if you try to give all fighters the benefit of the doubt I reckon, not to mention avoiding too much hypocrisy. Gives you a clearer understanding too I reckon.

Anyways, sadly this weeks Pick Em fight is sadly cancelled, but the open invite remains for the furture if you're ever interested.

[TonyGe]

85 percent of everyone knows he lost. I haven’t heard “one” single boxer or trainer say ggg pulled it off. As far as the fans only the Golovkin squad is in denial

Never hear??? I guess that goes to show the only thing you have between your ears is wax.

[Fat_asian]

At this point he has no time for legacy, just big money paydays aka superfights

[daggum]

if you want to argue when/why/how fights did or didnt happen anyone can make an argument to defend anyone basically.....

fact of the matter is lara would have been his best win during that time frame....biggest/best name on the resume

golovkin and his team may have been pursing better fights...bigger fights...but it was quite some time until he got one after lara was trying to get a fight with him.....at some point you cant sit around and hope/wait for one to materialize...you have to go out and beat someone and get people to notice you...lara was #1@154 and was fighting on spike.....he wasnt commanding huge paydays...although hed have prob wanted fair market price and wasnt taking 100k to fight golovkin obviously

thats the problem with golovkins fans...they excuse everything he ever did and blame everything else and everyone else....the networks...the money....the other fighters.....he was being pushed by HBO hard and they could have done better....

but golovkins fans will excuse everything that ever happened to him and then claim ward was ducking a guy who got smoked by froch and has 5 L's to his name lol...i know you didnt do that personally but i know youve seen it....and thats the type...you may not go on the offensive with other fighters...but youre as equally as defensive as that type

"Lara commands a lot of money so I cant say the fight will be simple to make. We got to make more money than what he's made in the past for Golovkin."

lara wanted more than he got fighting for fighting canelo. ggg did not have that kind of money/power at the time. why do you ignore this? it was just a call out with no action behind it and when pressed they exposed themselves by demanding ridiculous money they knew ggg didnt have. thats a duck?

ward did duck bute... you pretend ggg ducked lara when they werent in the same division, lara wanted more money than he had ever gotten and there were no formal negotiations but you dont think ward duckd bute when bute was #1 in the division, offered ward a career high payday, and ward tried to fight dmitri sartison instead? like come on. if one guy ducked there it was ward. if you want to be a nitpicker and say well ggg could have done more to get the lara fight, ok thats fair but that kind of scrutiny is never applied to any single fighter you like so yeah kind of revealing isnt it?

[daggum]

ha ha. Well for sure anyone can defend anything, same as the way anyone can take a dump on any career if they got a mind which is a point I regularly make. But you should surely know this cos you do it yourself quite regularly for the fighters you like or dislike. I can't imagine it'll be long before you're finding a reason why a meh kinda fight is acceptable for some reason or why a dude you like doesn't need to fight this guy or that.

Maybe you're right though, it does bother me when dudes start calling a fighter I followed from before he was big some kinda hype job or whatever, especially when I saw all the efforts they made to get bigger fights and all the ones that fell through. I try to be objective but at the end of the day we all got our biases and our favourites.. Seems to me Golovkin does get an undue amount of criticism on here, but then he ain't the first and I'm sure he won't be the last. The Lara thing though... ha ha... well I guess if that's the smoking gun that critics think buries GGG I probably shouldn't be fussed.

And maybe I am defensive although of course from my perspective I'd just say I'm being consistent and fair. Same way you tie yourself in knots defending PBC and anything related I guess, cept I manage to support the dudes I like without putting down other fighters. Makes it easier to keep things straight and narrow if you try to give all fighters the benefit of the doubt I reckon, not to mention avoiding too much hypocrisy. Gives you a clearer understanding too I reckon.

Anyways, sadly this weeks Pick Em fight is sadly cancelled, but the open invite remains for the furture if you're ever interested.

the smoking gun is some fanboy saying he should have fought lara while ignoring all the evidence that showed lara did nothing to make the fight happen and actually made demands that were completely unreasonable. yeah duckkkking fraud! ward didnt duck bute though he just wanted bute to prove himself whiel he fought guys like pavlik and sartison. no bias here! straight down the middle! call it like i see it! facts over feelings!

[daggum]

lets play a little game shall we? ill remove the names so people dont get all up in their feelings.

fighter A is #1 at 160, fighter B is #1 at 154. fighter B says i want to fight then demands a career high payday which no fighter A opponent has ever received cept on ppv and this would not be a ppv fight. fight never happens.

fighter C is #1 at 168, fighter D is #2 at 168. Fighter D offers fighter C a career high payday but fighter C says no you have to prove yourself first, then tries to sign a fight with an unranked fighter.

which fighter ducked...if both did which is more egregious? cue the jeopardy music!

[Citizen Koba]

the smoking gun is some fanboy saying he should have fought lara while ignoring all the evidence that showed lara did nothing to make the fight happen and actually made demands that were completely unreasonable. yeah duckkkking fraud! ward didnt duck bute though he just wanted bute to prove himself whiel he fought guys like pavlik and sartison. no bias here! straight down the middle!

Thing is I don't even go in for all that ducking shet, the way the business is set up no-one really has to fight anyone - ther's no leagues or universally accepted rankings so talk of 'ducking this' and 'ducking that' is all but subjective nonsense unless you're talking about mandatories, but if dudes gonna try to say the fighters they don't like are ducking they gotta be prepared to have the same standards apply to the guys they do I guess.

The Lara thing is just baffling to me though, kinda, so it coulda been a decent fight I reckon but there was never the money, the timeframe is deeply iffy and the promotional war all but prohibited it anyways. Better and more realsitic fights get passed over all the time, but I guess dudes gonna make a narrative outta whatever they can.

[aboutfkntime]

ha ha. Well for sure anyone can defend anything, same as the way anyone can take a dump on any career if they got a mind which is a point I regularly make. But you should surely know this cos you do it yourself quite regularly for the fighters you like or dislike. I can't imagine it'll be long before you're finding a reason why a meh kinda fight is acceptable for some reason or why a dude you like doesn't need to fight this guy or that.

Maybe you're right though, it does bother me when dudes start calling a fighter I followed from before he was big some kinda hype job or whatever, especially when I saw all the efforts they made to get bigger fights and all the ones that fell through. I try to be objective but at the end of the day we all got our biases and our favourites.. Seems to me Golovkin does get an undue amount of criticism on here, but then he ain't the first and I'm sure he won't be the last. The Lara thing though... ha ha... well I guess if that's the smoking gun that critics think buries GGG I probably shouldn't be fussed.

And maybe I am defensive although of course from my perspective I'd just say I'm being consistent and fair. Same way you tie yourself in knots defending PBC and anything related I guess, cept I manage to support the dudes I like without putting down other fighters. Makes it easier to keep things straight and narrow if you try to give all fighters the benefit of the doubt I reckon, not to mention avoiding too much hypocrisy. Gives you a clearer understanding too I reckon.

Anyways, sadly this weeks Pick Em fight is sadly cancelled, but the open invite remains for the furture if you're ever interested.

correct !

you have never stopped blurting out shlthead fanboy excuses

[aboutfkntime]

when asked why they refused to consider fighting Lara, Team Bullshlt said that Willie Monroe Jnr was a bigger draw

they did not make up shlthead fanboy excuses, like citizen crybaby... they said that Monroe was a bigger draw loooool

the fact is... Canelo had the balls to fight Lara, Golovkin did not

[Citizen Koba]

when asked why they refused to consider fighting Lara, Team Bullshlt said that Willie Monroe Jnr was a bigger draw

they did not make up shlthead fanboy excuses, like citizen crybaby... they said that Monroe was a bigger draw loooool

the fact is... Canelo had the balls to fight Lara, Golovkin did not

Still begging for attention huh, you desperate old tart? You do realise I don't even read your replies ay more, doncha?