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lara wasnt tied to a network..he worked on a fight by fight basis and even stated that to golovkins team......at the time lara was calling for the fight he was #1 at 154 and would have been the best name on golovkins resume easily...and lara was no stranger to network tv either at that time
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Golovkin however was tied to a network and HBO was both selecting and paying for his opponents. HBO was in a life and death struggle with SHO / Haymon which they ultimately lost. HBO wasn't doing business with SHO aligned fighters or Al unless they really had no alternatives, and you know this.
Weird how people acknowledge the present network divide and the much deeper one that existed back in 2014/5 and are quite happy to use it to explain other fights that didn't happen yet keep bringing up Lara like it was a viable or necessary fight for Golovkin. I tend to see it as a kinda strawman that was merely a part of the wider HBO / SHO conflict, never a really viaible fight but a useful PR tool to try to diminish Golovkin's value as one of HBOs few remaining assets, same reason Al signed Stevenson and Chavez Jr, not really because he had long term plans for 'em but because it harmed HBO. Very sound strategy as it turned out, although I think the writing was already on the wall pretty much from the start of the decade.
And whilst I have huge respect for Erislandy he's still the guy who drew with Vanes and Carlos Molina... fighting him wouldn't, with due respect, have turned Golovkin into a great legacy fighter as some folk seem to be suggesting, although I would like to have seen it and it would have been a good fight.Last edited by Citizen Koba; 06-17-2020, 03:25 PM.Comment
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nobody said it would have turned golovkin into a legacy fighter...but at the time it would have have been his best scalp by a good margin....it was very viable....lara was not a big name or a big star and fought on showtime...
heck in 2015 he was fighting on spike tv for christ sakes
you thinking people have said it would have enhanced golovkin is some made up argument i truly believe...because ive seen no one suggest it would have helped solidify golovkins legacy....most said what you stated "it would have been a good fight we would have liked to see"...it would have made a ton of sense and def been best name on his resume
he wanted no part..or hbo and and his team wanted no part because they feared it might have been a tricky fight that might not have made golovkin look like the ko machine they were building....they suggested lara brought no fans or no money but he brought no less than the guys he was fighting around that time
haymons guys have always gone wherever if the money and opportunity were right....its a fight golovkins team and hbo wanted no part of but it wasnt because of any "network" warComment
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Agree to disagree. Up to a point you are correct - Lara would likely have been a tricky fight and might well have been one they wouldn't have wanted whilst building GGGs aura, but you continue to brush over that HBO just weren't doing business over the road and that Lara was both expensive and would have done little to progress Golovkin's career. Furthermore there was no point at which HBO weren't actually seeking better fights, even if on many occasions these never came to fruition. But sure, you want to say Golovkin 'avoided' Lara I think it's a little nonsensical and I can't quite figure a timeline where it would have made sense (instead of Monroe is about the only timeline I could see cept Lara wouldn't have fought for $100k) but I ain't gonna waste time arguing. Certainly they didn't make any efforts to try to make that fight though I think saying GGG 'wanted no parts of' Lara is trying to hard to paint a particular picture. Dudes call each other out all the time but people are strangely selective in deciding when it's ducking and when it ain't...
Anyways, we can go round and round with this ish and get no-where, we both invested in our own narratives and neither's likely to change our minds at this point although I believe I demonstrate greater consistency when it comes down to applying the same standards to all fighters across the board. Honestly it ain't like it matters anyway cept I see folk often hang the argument that failing to pursue the Lara fight is evidence of Golovkin's 'cowardice' or somesuch nonsense, which ain't really worthy of response anyway.
Anyways. With that out of the way I'm recruiting for the relaunch of this years Pick Em game, probably a bit late for you starting now to end up in one of the top slots, but that ish is still a laugh and a good way to get some interest in researching some fights or fighters you might not otherwise have been interested in... and it's non partisan too, a little spot where we can just talk about the fights without all the dumb fanbase rivalry shit.
What you reckon, throw in for a bit of laugh and test your knowledge? Be good practice for next year too if you'd like to jump in from the start?
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if you want to argue when/why/how fights did or didnt happen anyone can make an argument to defend anyone basically.....Agree to disagree. Up to a point you are correct - Lara would likely have been a tricky fight and might well have been one they wouldn't have wanted whilst building GGGs aura, but you continue to brush over that HBO just weren't doing business over the road and that Lara was both expensive and would have done little to progress Golovkin's career. Furthermore there was no point at which HBO weren't actually seeking better fights, even if on many occasions these never came to fruition. But sure, you want to say Golovkin 'avoided' Lara I think it's a little nonsensical and I can't quite figure a timeline where it would have made sense (instead of Monroe is about the only timeline I could see cept Lara wouldn't have fought for $100k) but I ain't gonna waste time arguing. Certainly they didn't make any efforts to try to make that fight though I think saying GGG 'wanted no parts of' Lara is trying to hard to paint a particular picture. Dudes call each other out all the time but people are strangely selective in deciding when it's ducking and when it ain't...
Anyways, we can go round and round with this ish and get no-where, we both invested in our own narratives and neither's likely to change our minds at this point although I believe I demonstrate greater consistency when it comes down to applying the same standards to all fighters across the board. Honestly it ain't like it matters anyway cept I see folk often hang the argument that failing to pursue the Lara fight is evidence of Golovkin's 'cowardice' or somesuch nonsense, which ain't really worthy of response anyway.
Anyways. With that out of the way I'm recruiting for the relaunch of this years Pick Em game, probably a bit late for you starting now to end up in one of the top slots, but that ish is still a laugh and a good way to get some interest in researching some fights or fighters you might not otherwise have been interested in... and it's non partisan too, a little spot where we can just talk about the fights without all the dumb fanbase rivalry shit.
What you reckon, throw in for a bit of laugh and test your knowledge? Be good practice for next year too if you'd like to jump in from the start?
https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...d.php?t=837530
fact of the matter is lara would have been his best win during that time frame....biggest/best name on the resume
golovkin and his team may have been pursing better fights...bigger fights...but it was quite some time until he got one after lara was trying to get a fight with him.....at some point you cant sit around and hope/wait for one to materialize...you have to go out and beat someone and get people to notice you...lara was #1@154 and was fighting on spike.....he wasnt commanding huge paydays...although hed have prob wanted fair market price and wasnt taking 100k to fight golovkin obviously
thats the problem with golovkins fans...they excuse everything he ever did and blame everything else and everyone else....the networks...the money....the other fighters.....he was being pushed by HBO hard and they could have done better....
but golovkins fans will excuse everything that ever happened to him and then claim ward was ducking a guy who got smoked by froch and has 5 L's to his name lol...i know you didnt do that personally but i know youve seen it....and thats the type...you may not go on the offensive with other fighters...but youre as equally as defensive as that typeComment
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