Tyson Fury already has a Top 10 ATG Lineal title reign.

[ShaneMosleySr]

If you want to apply logic to all fighters, you should acknowledge that the lineal championship is determined by the Ring Magazine and TBRB for all fighters and that has always been the case.

They said Fury wasn’t champion anymore and then he won the title back.

If you want to use that logic then it is only fair the same logic be applied to ALL fighters, past and present. This would greatly alter tha amount of defences of some of the longest-reigning Lineal champions.

[Marchegiano]

If you want to apply logic to all fighters, you should acknowledge that the lineal championship is determined by the Ring Magazine and TBRB for all fighters and that has always been the case.

They said Fury wasn’t champion anymore and then he won the title back.

Lineal is older than Ring though.

[ShaneMosleySr]

No one labeled it as a fight for the vacant lineal title after the event.

Before the event, it was between the #1 and #2 ranked heavyweights and everyone who looks at Ring magazine and TBRB knew it was for the lineal title.

I can post links to multiple threads, including threads by me, where it was discussed how the winner would be the new lineal champion.

I’m sure Ring Magazine wrote about it as well.

So I don’t know where you got that idea.

I also don’t know why you think anyone would pretend that Wilder won the lineal title from Fury instead of a vacant lineal if he won the fight. It makes absolutely no difference, it would still be Wilder’s first lineal championship victory.

Talking about what is fair, how do these people purport to label Fury vs. Wilder II a vacant Lineal title fight AFTER THE EVENT? That is simply ridiculous. Guarenteed those same people would have happily agreed to Wilder having won the Lineal off Fury if it had turned out that way.

[LoadedWraps]

Fury did retire.

The two organizations that determine lineal championships said the position was vacant after he retired.

He then won their titles back.

I’m going by what they say, not by what Fury wants to be reality.

Then I guess the legend of Fury will always contain two parallel realities where in one he has 6 defenses and in the other he reclaims it.

In reality he never lost the title because he returned and never lost. Their narrative was a marketing ploy. Fury is the man who beat the man and remains the man until beaten.

Heck we might as well elevate him to franchise and emeritus champion. Make him a boxing dictator. A boxing god.

[ShaneMosleySr]

Of course, but the Ring Magazine title IS the lineal championship. It’s a board of journalists that track the lineal title.

Those rankings determine the lineal title.

The only time that’s been disputed was when GBP purchased the magazine. Part of the ring editorial board revolted and that’s why there’s two organizations that track the lineal title. And that’s why they sometimes don’t agree.

Lineal is older than Ring though.

[W1LL]

FYI, Tyson Fury is ranked in the top 10 for longest reigns as Lineal Heavyweight champion at 4 years, 7 months. He has reigned for longer than notable names such as Rocky Marciano (3 years) and Joe Frazier (2 years, 11 months). He is not far behind outlasting Larry Holmes (4 years, 11 months), or Floyd Patterson who's two reigns combine at 4 years, 10 months.

[ShaneMosleySr]

There aren’t two parallel realities.

There’s a story crafted by Tyson Fury and his promoters and there’s reality.

Reality: The lineal title is determined by the rankings of journalists at the Ring Magazine and TBRB. They both determined Fury wasn’t lineal champion anymore because he announced his retirement and didn’t fight for three years.

They also determined Fury won the title back because he and Wilder were the two best heavyweights in the rankings when they fought the second time and Fury won that fight.

Tyson Fury and his promoters didn’t like that narrative. His comeback was easier to promote if he was a heavyweight champion. So they pretended he was one when he wasn’t.

It was clearly effective because people like you ignore reality and unbiased rules to side with someone who’s clearly wants what’s best for themself.

Then I guess the legend of Fury will always contain two parallel realities where in one he has 6 defenses and in the other he reclaims it.

In reality he never lost the title because he returned and never lost. Their narrative was a marketing ploy. Fury is the man who beat the man and remains the man until beaten.

Heck we might as well elevate him to franchise and emeritus champion. Make him a boxing dictator. A boxing god.

[ShaneMosleySr]

He didn’t fight for three years.

What a fair way to measure the length of his lineal title reign.

What would be more fair is if you used the standard that has been set for every other lineal champion in boxing history, being recognized by the Ring Magazine and TBRB.

If you do that, he’s been champion for a grand total of three consecutive months lol.

FYI, Tyson Fury is ranked in the top 10 for longest reigns as Lineal Heavyweight champion at 4 years, 7 months. He has reigned for longer than notable names such as Rocky Marciano (3 years) and Joe Frazier (2 years, 11 months). He is not far behind outlasting Larry Holmes (4 years, 11 months), or Floyd Patterson who's two reigns combine at 4 years, 10 months.

[W1LL]

He didn’t fight for three years.

What a fair way to measure the length of his lineal title reign.

What would be more fair is if you used the standard that has been set for every other lineal champion in boxing history, being recognized by the Ring Magazine and TBRB.

If you do that, he’s been champion for a grand total of three consecutive months lol.

It is clear you don't know what you are talking about. There have been many, longer periods of inactivity from past Lineal champions than the time Tyson had out.

[ShaneMosleySr]

Yes, but not after they announced their retirement and everyone stopped recognizing them as champion.

If Lennox Lewis came back today, he wouldn’t be the lineal champion for the last 17 years.

Why? Because he announced his retirement and Ring magazine stopped recognizing him as champion.

It would be f**king ****** to call him a 21 year lineal champion if he returned. But no one beat him! And thats your logic lmfao.

It is clear you don't know what you are talking about. There have been many, longer periods of inactivity from past Lineal champions than the time Tyson had out.